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Leon Gambetta

Cost: $5.7 M
Available: July 1905



French
Code:
Armoured Cruiser
11,959 tons
146.5 m
22.5 knots

Armament:
4 x 7.6-in/40 cal M1893-96
16 x 6.4-in/45 QF M1893-96
24 x 3-pdr
2 x 18" TT

Armor:
belt 6-2.8"
turrets 8"
bases 7.2-4"
secondary turrets 6.5-5.2"
casemates 5.3-2.25"
CT 8"

Name ship of a class of 3. Torpedoed by an Austro-Hungarian submarine in 1915.


Picture courtesy of our friends the Russians. Apparently the ship sank very quickly after being struck by torpedoes but so did most other armored cruisers so I guess that doesn't call for a negative SA.
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PostThu Oct 02, 2008 7:06 pm
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Allright Brass, we need Armored Cruisers badly. If this passes ND's inspection I think we may take her.
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Allright Brass, we need Armored Cruisers badly. If this passes ND's inspection I think we may take her.

I have downloaded a bunch of French and Russian ships from the Russian site. There are at least two more French and -I think- two Russian CAs in the bunch. No usable British or German deck plans, though, except HMS Cumberland and we already have the Monmouth from that class.
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I converted the image, so that the card maker can use it immediately (removed the white background).
Are  you sure the cost is $6.1M? I see  £1,169,640 , which is  £1,169,640 * 4.85 = $5.7M, right?
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I converted the image, so that the card maker can use it immediately (removed the white background).
Are  you sure the cost is $6.1M? I see  £1,169,640 , which is  £1,169,640 * 4.85 = $5.7M, right?

Hmm ...I thought the figure I saw in Conway's was 1.3 M (how do you get the pound sign, anyway?) but I did it from memory and also used the wrong multiplier  Embarassed . I suspect your figure is correct.
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We need a schematic for HMS Good Hope, so we can playtest Coronel.
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Brass wrote:
NeuralDream wrote:
I converted the image, so that the card maker can use it immediately (removed the white background).
Are  you sure the cost is $6.1M? I see  £1,169,640 , which is  £1,169,640 * 4.85 = $5.7M, right?

Hmm ...I thought the figure I saw in Conway's was 1.3 M (how do you get the pound sign, anyway?) but I did it from memory and also used the wrong multiplier  Embarassed . I suspect your figure is correct.

It's from our costs thread http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about3853.html
which now is also a wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_of_warships_1900-1918
which btw needs some cleaning up.
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Brass wrote:
how do you get the pound sign, anyway?


copy and paste from someone British, I'm sure you can set it to be a hot key combo or something like that, but then you would have to figure out how to do that...
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lotharlutjens wrote:
We need a schematic for HMS Good Hope, so we can playtest Coronel.

I've been looking for weeks but even the Russians don't seem to have it. The best I've been able to find so far is a couple of pretty crappy line drawings that just show the gun positions.
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Brass wrote:
NeuralDream wrote:
I converted the image, so that the card maker can use it immediately (removed the white background).
Are  you sure the cost is $6.1M? I see  £1,169,640 , which is  £1,169,640 * 4.85 = $5.7M, right?

Hmm ...I thought the figure I saw in Conway's was 1.3 M (how do you get the pound sign, anyway?) but I did it from memory and also used the wrong multiplier  Embarassed . I suspect your figure is correct.

It's from our costs thread http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about3853.html
which now is also a wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_of_warships_1900-1918
which btw needs some cleaning up.

You know how it goes. A million here, a million there, next thing you know you're talking about real money. I changed the figure to $5.7M to fit the actual accurate data. Smile
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Brass wrote:
how do you get the pound sign, anyway?


Hold alt and type "0163" (from the numpad).
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Beta series Leon Gambetta

Leon Gambetta                   5.7 million dollars

France      Cruiser/Armored Cruiser  July 1905

Spd = 2

FOF          Bow         Broadside       Stern

Mains    */6/5/3         8/7/6/4       */6/5/3
Sec       */6/5/3         8/7/6/4       */6/5/3
AA = 2
TT = 1

Armor = 5      Vital Armor = 10     Hull = 3


CONFUSED SPOTTING
DEFENSIVE ARMAMENT 3
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lotharlutjens wrote:
Beta series Leon Gambetta

Leon Gambetta                   5.7 million dollars

France      Cruiser/Armored Cruiser  July 1905

Spd = 2

FOF          Bow         Broadside       Stern

Mains    */6/5/3         8/7/6/4       */6/5/3
Sec       */6/5/3         8/7/6/4       */6/5/3
AA = 2
TT = 1

Armor = 5      Vital Armor = 11     Hull = 3


CONFUSED SPOTTING
DEFENSIVE ARMAMENT 3

I hadn't realized I had left out the most important piece of historical data - the Leon Gambetta was sunk by Georg, Ritter von Trapp, the Dual Monarchy's leading U-boat commander before he became better known internationally as the father of the Trapp family. Maybe some horrible negative SA involving Julie Andrews would be appropriate.
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You are kidding me ? Von Trap ? No, couldn't be,
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You are kidding me ? Von Trap ? No, couldn't be,

Yep, the very same. Georg Ludwig von Trapp, Freiherr (Baron) von Trapp and Ritter (Knight) of the Military Order of Maria Theresa, was Austria-Hungary's top U-boat skipper. Altogether von Trapp sank the Leon Gambetta, the Italian submarine Nereide, and 11 cargo vessels of various sorts and captured one Greek cargo vessel. Given the fairly low intensity of the naval war in the Adriatic, that's not too shabby. By war's end, he had been promoted to Korvettenkapitan and awarded the Knight's Cross of the Military Order of Maria Theresa.

Ironically, von Trapp's first wife - the mother of those seven annoying children - was Agathe Whitehead, grand-daughter of the Robert Whitehead, the inventor of the modern torpedo.
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http://www.archives.gov/publicati...logue/2005/winter/von-trapps.html


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I wonder what kind of fortune a torpedo heiress has?  With a mustache like that though, I guess he could've got any girl he wanted.
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http://www.archives.gov/publicati...logue/2005/winter/von-trapps.html


Goof stuff and a very nice picture. However,

1. von Trapp was not made a baron for valorous service; he was already Freiherr von Trapp. He was made a Ritter, which is by no means the same thing, when he received the Knight's Cross of the Military Order of Maria Theresa (think Victoria Cross but much less common).

2. There were seven children in the movie because that's how many there were when Maria arrived. She and Georg had the last three.

Anyway, welcome to the Hollywood History of the World. Can anyone here actually envision Christopher Plummer staring through an attack periscope at a French armored cruiser? I tried but it made my brain hurt.
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I wonder what kind of fortune a torpedo heiress has?  With a mustache like that though, I guess he could've got any girl he wanted.

Well, Grandpapa held the basic patents on the Whitehead torpedo and kept the proprietary bits to himself, so when he left her his entire estate I suspect she was pretty well set up. Not Bill Gates wealthy, mind you, but I doubt she wanted for tea and crumpets. Smile
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Beta (LMS) test series Leon Gambetta

Leon Gambetta                   5.7 million dollars

France      Cruiser/Armored Cruiser  July 1905

Spd = 2

FOF          Bow         Broadside       Stern

M Btty    */6/5/3        8/7/6/4       */6/5/3
M Btty    */6/5/3        8/7/6/4       */6/5/3
AA = 2
TT = 1
DA = 3

Armor = 5      Vital Armor = 10     Hull = 3
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