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We gave this a spin, this afternoon. I as the Germans faced off with two of my gaming buddies commanding the Poles.Turn one, the Germans probed forward on the East side of the map only to be stopped cold by the Polish Antitank units. The next turn, as my tanks rolled in, they got bogged down in the bottleneck on the east. I was able to race a couple of light unit off the north edge of the map, but the armored trains, combined with the hard-hitting AT guns, took their toll. The armor on the Pz Is and IIs was just too weak to stand up to the kind of pounding meted out by the overwatching and invisible AT guns. I was praying to win initiative on turn 5 so I could force my opponent to bring on his reinforcements first, but that was not to be. I crowded the west side of the board and tried to race units through the constricted road corridor, but, again, the overwatching AT guns took a heavy toll. When I conceded after turn 7, the score was Germans 25, Poles 70+. The German armor had been erased. The Wehrmacht infantry was holding strong, but had not chance to reach the North border and achieve a few victory points. Though my strategy was not brilliant, for instance I moved my turn 5 infantry up the west side, when they would have been more effective moving up the middle to deal with the AT guns, the difficult terrain combined with the overwhelming Polish defense, made maneuver very difficult for the Wehrmacht. The Poles had an easy time setting up killing zones that the German armor had to cross
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| Thuddeus wrote: | We gave this a spin, this afternoon. I as the Germans faced off with two of my gaming buddies commanding the Poles.Turn one, the Germans probed forward on the East side of the map only to be stopped cold by the Polish Antitank units. The next turn, as my tanks rolled in, they got bogged down in the bottleneck on the east. I was able to race a couple of light unit off the north edge of the map, but the armored trains, combined with the hard-hitting AT guns, took their toll. The armor on the Pz Is and IIs was just too weak to stand up to the kind of pounding meted out by the overwatching and invisible AT guns. I was praying to win initiative on turn 5 so I could force my opponent to bring on his reinforcements first, but that was not to be. I crowded the west side of the board and tried to race units through the constricted road corridor, but, again, the overwatching AT guns took a heavy toll. When I conceded after turn 7, the score was Germans 25, Poles 70+. The German armor had been erased. The Wehrmacht infantry was holding strong, but had not chance to reach the North border and achieve a few victory points. Though my strategy was not brilliant, for instance I moved my turn 5 infantry up the west side, when they would have been more effective moving up the middle to deal with the AT guns, the difficult terrain combined with the overwhelming Polish defense, made maneuver very difficult for the Wehrmacht. The Poles had an easy time setting up killing zones that the German armor had to cross
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We played it again yesterday too: Poles 35, Germans 64. So it's definitely possible to win as the Germans it just takes a different strategy. Hope you'll try it again. Don't want to give away how to do it just yet. OK, two tips: Don't exit units with attack values off the map prematurely (it's better to use them in combat) and stay out of reach of the AT guns / trains once you realize you won't get them off the map. At least that way the Poles won't score any points for them either ( of course it doesn't help topo much when you're behind but you won't lose by even more...)[/i][/u] |
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:34 pm |
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| As can be read above it's defintely possible to win as the Germans (It wasn't luck, just skill!). Therefore we've decided against adding a fuel dump to the German forces. It's still an optional rule however (The last playtest we played without!) |
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:46 pm |
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Though rather complicated to set up, this is a great scenario. There are lots of problems to solve on both sides. Plentiful reinforcements means even when the scenario seems to be going badly for one side, there's reason to struggle on because reinforcements always change things up.
I plan to give this another try. I have some ideas to try with the Germans and that always makes a scenario interesting.
Excellent job, Boersma8!
BTW, does your nick read as Boer's Mate? I just saw that.
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:44 pm |
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| Thuddeus wrote: |
BTW, does your nick read as Boer's Mate? I just saw that. |
If it does, that wasn't the intention. Boersma is simply my last name and 8 my favourite number.....
Thanks for the positive feedback and yes, it's definitely possible for both sides to win, although it does seem like the Germans have the steeper learning curve. |
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| Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:28 am |
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I've added several degrees of victory/ defeat to the scenario post:
Degrees of victory/ defeat (point difference):
1-10 token victory/ defeat
10-20 minor victory/ defeat
21-30 major victory/ defeat
30+ crushing victory/ defeat |
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| Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:17 am |
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Here's a pic of our last battle. The Polish tanks were a mash-up of any light tanks we could find.
T-70's stood in for Pz I's.
The large tan spot in the lower center of the pic is glare off the map lamination.
You can see in the upper center that I tried to use Sd Kfz 251's to kill the Polish AT guns. I failed. [/img]
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| Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:55 pm |
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That is the way to go, that is to try and kill the Polish AT guns (some of them at least) with your recon vehicles, BMWs and (loaded) halftracks ( a spotter on a halftrack can be very effective too!) before you try and make a go for it with your German vehicles.
What was the final score? |
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| Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:20 am |
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wow, great job guys. Way to come together on a project. Very impressive.
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"My dear general, the war can now only be won by the politicians." Von Rundstedt to Kurt Meyer.
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| Thuddeus wrote: | Here's a pic of our last battle. The Polish tanks were a mash-up of any light tanks we could find.
T-70's stood in for Pz I's.
The large tan spot in the lower center of the pic is glare off the map lamination.
You can see in the upper center that I tried to use Sd Kfz 251's to kill the Polish AT guns. I failed.[/img] |
Awesome pic! 
Nice scenario.
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| Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:26 pm |
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| boersma8 wrote: | | That is the way to go, that is to try and kill the Polish AT guns (some of them at least) with your recon vehicles, BMWs and (loaded) halftracks ( a spotter on a halftrack can be very effective too!) before you try and make a go for it with your German vehicles. |
This was a pic from our first, and so far only, play. Because I'm brain damaged, I didn't have infantry in most of the half-tracks, which halved my firepower. Live and learn, and relearn, and relearn
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