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Lightning meets rock...Lvov 41
Von Rundstedt's Army Group South had for mission the conquest of the Ukraine aiming for the ancient city of Kiev, and then beyond as the german planners of Operation Barbarossa (Von Paulus being the main brain) already knew that to win the war they would need the caucasian oil fields. Compared to the other Army Groups, Army Group South faced the bulk of the soviet forces and had just one Panzergruppe.
In the lead, Von Kleist's 1st Panzergruppe was to take Lvov situated on former Polish soil and then rush on to Kiev. Because of confused leadership the soviets were taken either off guard or left without clear orders for days. Acting on his won initiative general Vlassov, the commander of 6th Army decided to send his Lvov-based reserves (4th Mechanised Corps and 3rd cavalry division) into a counter attack just north of Lvov to gain time and organise a timely withdrawal towards Kiev. Amongst his reserves were 38th tank regiment with about 20 mighty T35s.
General Hube's 16th Panzer division's tanks were in for a nasty surprise...
Maps:
From Eastern Front:
West-Map 16 (number in the upper right corner)-Map 14 (number in the upper right corner)-East
Replace the whole batch of brush hexes on map 14 starting with hex D22A with city hexes (7 hexes)
Then do the same with the batch starting with hex D54A (6 hexes)
These city hexes are the outskirts of Lvov.
Place Victory hexes on D22A et D54A and then on map 16 on the two mountain hexes for a total of 4 victory hexes.
Ignore the shellholes.
Replace the 3 remaining brush hexes by clear terrain.
Roll for initiative.
16th Panzer Division:
enters on turn 1 through any western hex (half hexes are in play)
elite panzer IV x2
panzer III ausf F x3 (no smoke SA)
panzer II ausf c
bmw r75 x3
kubelwagen x2
opel blitz truck x3
SS leader
pak 38
mauser x6
stuka 87B
3rd Cavalry division plus elements 38th Tank regiment:
enter on turn one on any eastern hex of the map
T35 x2
BT 7 x2
T26 x2
BA 1OM x2
Zis truck x3
cavalry men (polish card) x8
commissar
maxim mg
ptrd anti tank rifle
mosin x3
Victory conditions:
at the end of turn 8:
The german scores one point for each of the hexes D22A and D54A. He has broken in towards Lvov.
The soviet scores one point for each of the mountain hexes on map 16. He breaks the german line of supply.
The winner is the player scoring most points.
In case both players have the same number of points, it's a draw. 
Note: In this scenario trucks count as infantry for stacking purposes.
Sources:
Barbarossa- george bernage (Heimdal)
Absolute war- Chris Bellamy (PAN)
Les divisions blindées de la Wehrmacht- chris bishop (EDL)
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This is a really interesting scenario as both sides have to attack to gain victory points (the germans the city hexes and the soviets the mountain hexes) and at the SAME time defend the very same hexes the other side is aiming for.
From playtests, just defending will usually only bring a draw or a defeat. 
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Very nice! I guess I'll tape 2 of those Japanese amphibious tanks end-to-end to proxy for the 2nd T-35!
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Just for your future benefit... Unexpected heavy tanks would have made for a nasty surprise for German forces, but, unless those tanks were crewed by lingerie models in "Catholic School Girl" outfits and fuzzy hand cuffs, it probably wouldn't qualify as a naughty surprise.
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| Planetary Eulogy wrote: | | Just for your future benefit... Unexpected heavy tanks would have made for a nasty surprise for German forces, but, unless those tanks were crewed by lingerie models in "Catholic School Girl" outfits and fuzzy hand cuffs, it probably wouldn't qualify as a naughty surprise. |
And worst: the soviets didnt have any fuel for those! Most were used as static defence units while the rest of the regiment was sent to Moscow where it never saw service.
The battle of Lvov is the only known battle were the T35s saw action. No one witnessed them in moscow.
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| Bean965 wrote: | | Very nice! I guess I'll tape 2 of those Japanese amphibious tanks end-to-end to proxy for the 2nd T-35! |
thanks Bean! 
you could also proxie with a KV1.
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I've had a replay this afternoon.
The germans were forced on the defensive early on (damned cavalry) despite destroying a T35 on turn 2 (damned BMWs) and then counter attacked even managing to out flank the soviets. But there was no dislodging the last few soviet units.
As happened before during playtests the stuka was shot down by a T35. This tank has amazing stats!
By turn 7 the soviets had a 1 point advantage that the germans managed to recapture.
tough battle.
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I saw Senjak today. We had a chat about which scenario we will be playing wednesday. It was Manila or Lvov.
Lvov was chosen.
Pics of the battle soon.
If we got time Tannhauser as the main course.
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| general Hoth wrote: | | Bean965 wrote: | | Very nice! I guess I'll tape 2 of those Japanese amphibious tanks end-to-end to proxy for the 2nd T-35! |
thanks Bean!
you could also proxie with a KV1. |
I have a T35 from v1 - is that what yours are, or did WOTC make a v2 T35?
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V1s, that's what i use.
I ordered one from miniatures market then pulled one from a booster!
A great tank with great stats.
it's only a pity it saw little action. so if you are a "historical" player like i am it's hard to field.
Give the scenario a go if you can.
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| Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:54 am |
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| Is the Stuka meant to be a type G? AFAIK this one didn't see action until Kursk?! |
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| Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:11 am |
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"My dear general, the war can now only be won by the politicians." Von Rundstedt to Kurt Meyer.
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Oh dear i completely overlooked this! 
PMed a good friend who should fix this, hopefully in time before my game against Senjak tomorrow night.
Thanks Boersma.
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Pictures from last night's game against Senjak.
He played 16th Panzer division and i the 3rd cavalry.
A few turns in the soviets had no more hope of scoring points so set up a strong defensive position around the victory hexes.
The germans then rushed along the soviet's right flank but couldn't dislodge the defenders.
While from my left came the BMWs supported by the panzer I.
Obviously the main german effort was on the other side!
A narrow victory was missed here as i had some great dice rolls the last two turns.
The early war stuka proved effectice, Senjak used bombs and sirens on the same turn against a T35!
It was a nice battle!
We had a long talk afterwards about play balance and kind of agreed that the soviets could do with an extra BT7.
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| general Hoth wrote: | I found it!
We'll try the scenario tomorrow using the card from the sharpedia. |
Sure wouldn't mind if the " real thing" was an exact copy of this card. Afraid however WoTC won't do as good a job...Hope I'm wrong.... |
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| general Hoth wrote: |
We had a long talk afterwards about play balance and kind of agreed that the soviets could do with an extra BT7.
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Yes and another talk about the vehicule rule:
"Get your f*** trucks out of that hex so I can take the point with my panzer !"
And yes it was a nice battle, specially when I wiped out the last T 35  |
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| Senjak wrote: | | general Hoth wrote: |
We had a long talk afterwards about play balance and kind of agreed that the soviets could do with an extra BT7.
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Yes and another talk about the vehicule rule:
"Get your f*** trucks out of that hex so I can take the point with my panzer !"
And yes it was a nice battle, specially when I wiped out the last T 35 |
Oops; True, i forgot about this!
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| general Hoth wrote: | | Senjak wrote: | | general Hoth wrote: |
We had a long talk afterwards about play balance and kind of agreed that the soviets could do with an extra BT7.
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Yes and another talk about the vehicule rule:
"Get your f*** trucks out of that hex so I can take the point with my panzer !"
And yes it was a nice battle, specially when I wiped out the last T 35 |
Oops; True, i forgot about this! |
Ok re- edited Senjak:
The rule goes like this: in this scenario trucks count as infantry for stacking purposes.
that should finally balance the scenario nicely.
PS: Nice pic Sharpe. I also edited the Stuka model now.
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