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I am working on a scenario called "Relief of Wake Island". It is an adaptation from General Quarters game.
I have run into a few little road blocks. What proxies can I use for the Destroyer classes: Clemson, Craven, Farragut, Mahan, Benham, and Bagley? For the Wake island atoll should I use 1 stat card for the whole or 3 stat cards 1 each for Wake, Wilkes, and Peale islands? Should I use the stats for the USS San Francisco as proxy for the USS Northampton? Could I use Jintsu as proxy for the light curisers Yubari, Tenryu, and Tatsuta while using the Aoba as proxy for the cruisers Furutaka, and Kaku?
I plan on putting the time setting around 0430 Wake Island local time.
Belligerent parties are Japan and Unites States.
Japanese forces include: Invasion force 3CL,2AMC,1AP,6DD,2APD, and 1AV. Support force 4CA, and 2DD. Carrier reinforcement force 2CV, 2CA, and 2DD. There are 2 subs.
United States forces are TF14 1CV, 3CA, 9DD, 1Av, and 1AO. TF11 1CV, 3CA, 8DD, and 1AO. TF8 1CV, 4CA, and 9DD. There are 2 subs.
Wake Island will be treated as a base 3 carrier.
Saratoga has 1extra f2f as reinforcements for Wake. These f2f are to be treated as land based air units. They can be assigned an air mission and must land at Wake during air return.
Land game will be included.
Japan primary objective is to capture and hold Wake Island for the duration of the game. Secondary objective is to destroy the American carriers and 60% of the surface fleet.
US primary objective is to land much needed supplies and personnel along with keeping the Japanese from capturing the islands. Secondary objective is to destroy the Japanese carriers and 60% of their surface fleet.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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You might get faster responses to class lists in the WAS research thread.
As far as the scenario, it looks like you have a great starting outline. I can't wait to see how you flesh out the setup and special rules! 
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:59 pm |
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| Greyh Seer wrote: | You might get faster responses to class lists in the WAS research thread.
As far as the scenario, it looks like you have a great starting outline. I can't wait to see how you flesh out the setup and special rules! |
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| Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:04 am |
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Relief of Wake Island
United States Forces Page 1
Task Force 8
Saratoga 1F4F Wildcat 1SBD Dauntless 1TBD Devastator 1F2A3 Buffalo (This unit represents a reinforcement squadron for Wake Island. This unit is not carrier trained and lack the arrester gear for return to the carrier.)
Astoria (Astoria class) San Francisco mini and stat
Minneapolis (Astoria class) San Francisco mini and stat
San Francisco (Astoria class) San Francisco mini and stat
Thornton (Clemson class) 4x4”/50 1x3”25 12x21”tt
Selfridge (Porter class) Phelps mini and stat
Bagley (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Blue (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Helm (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Henley (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Jarvis (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Mugford (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Patterson (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Tangier 1x5”/38DP 4x3”/50 8x40mm twin mount J.O'B mini
Neches 2x3”/50 4x.50mg
Task Force 11
Lexington use Saratoga stat and mini 1 F4F Wildcat 1SBD Dauntless 1TBD Devastator
Chicago (Northampton class) Use Salt Lake City stat and mini
Indianapolis (Indianapolis class)
Portland (Indianapolis class)
Ralph Talbot (Bagley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21”tt 30dc
Drayton (Mahan class) 5x5”/38DP 12x21”tt 60dc
Phelps (porter class) Use Phelps stat and mini
Dale (Farragut class) 5x5”/38 6x40mm 10x21”tt 60dc
Dewey (Farragut class) 5x5”/38 6x40mm 10x21”tt 60dc
Hull (Farragut class) 5x5”/38 6x40mm 10x21”tt 60dc
MacDonough (Farragut class) 5x5”/38 6x40mm 10x21”tt 60dc
Worden (Farragut class) 5x5”/38 6x40mm 10x21”tt 60dc
Neosho 4x5”/38DP 8x20mm twin mount 8x40mm twin mount
Relief of Wake Island
United States Forces Page 2
Task Force 8
Enterprise 1F4F Wildcat 1SBD Dauntless 1TBD Devastator
Vincennes (Astoria class)
Nashville (Brooklyn class)
Northampton (Northampton class)Use Salt Lake City stat and mini
Salt Lake City (Pensacola class) use Salt Lake City stat and mini
Benham (Benham class)
Ellet (Benham class)
Dunlap (Mahan class) 5x5”/38DP 12x21”tt 60dc
Fanning (Mahan class) 5x5”/38DP 12x21”tt 60dc
Craven (Gridley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21tt
Gridley (Gridley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21tt
Maury (Gridley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21tt
McCall (Gridley class) 4x5”/38DP 4x.50mg 16x21tt
Wake Island 1F4F Wildcat 1F2A Buffalo (Treat the airfield as a base 4 aircraft carrier) 13x3” 2x5” 7x.50mg 2x.30mg
Main 6-6-5-4 Secondary 4-4-3-2 AA8
Bristling with guns
Bristling with AA
5/13/10
Wilkes Islet 2x5” 4x3” 4x.50mg 1x.30mg
Main 3-3-2-2 AA 5
5/13/10
Peale Islet 2x5” 4x3” 4x.50mg
Main 3-3-2-2 AA 5
5/13/10
Vital hits only reduce gunnery
When hull points are reduced to one or zero add rearming counters to aircraft assigned to airfield.
Submarine force
Tambor use Barb Stat and mini
Triton use Barb Stat and mini
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| Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:53 am |
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Post subject: Japanese
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Relief of Wake Island.
Japanese forces
Invasion force
Yubari Flagship 6x5.5”/50 12x25mm 4x24”tt Long Lance
Tenryu 4x5.5”/50 2x13mm 6x21”tt
Tatsuta 4x5.5”/50 2x13mm 6x21”tt
Asanagi (Kamikaze class) 4x4.7”/45DP 2x7.7mg 6x21”tt 14dc
Oite (Kamikaze class)
Yunagi (Kamikaze class)
Mochizuki (Mutsuki class) 4x4.7”/45DP 2x13mm 2x7.7mg 6x24”tt Long Lance 14dc
Mutsuki (Mutsuki class)
Yayoi (Mutsuki class)
Aoi Patrol Boat 32 T1 Landing ship mini with Sub chaser stat card
1 company SNLF
Hagi Patrol Boat 33 T1 Landing ship mini with Sub chaser stat card
1 company SNLF
Kinryu Maru 2 companies of SNLF, 2 garrison companies and a howitzer battery
Kongo Maru 2 companies SNLF, 4 garrison companies and a regimental gun battery
Ten-Yo Maru 2 companies SNLF, and 2 garrison companies
Chitose 8x4.7”/45DP 1Rufe seaplane fighter
Support force
Aoba (Aoba class)
Kinugasa (Aoba class)
Furutaka (Furutaka class) 6x8”/50 4x4.7”/45DP 8x24”tt Long Lance
Kako (Furutaka class)
Kikuzuki (Mutsuki class) 4x4.7”/45DP 2x13mm 2x7.7mg 6x24”tt Long Lance 14dc
Yuzuki (Mutsuki class)
Carrier Reinforcement force
Hiryo 1Zero 1Val 1Kate
Soryo 1Zero 1Val 1Kate
Chikuma (Tone class)
Tone (Tone class)
Tanikaze (Kagero class) Yukikaze
Urakaza (Karero class)
Marshall Island Airbase
5 Betty
6 Emily
2 Zero
Submarine force
RO-60 L4 type
RO-61 U-510 mini and stat card |
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| Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:54 am |
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Post subject: Re: Relief of Wake Island
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| mutobear wrote: |
I have run into a few little road blocks. What proxies can I use for the Destroyer classes: Clemson, Craven, Farragut, Mahan, Benham, and Bagley? Should I use the stats for the USS San Francisco as proxy for the USS Northampton? Could I use Jintsu as proxy for the light curisers Yubari, Tenryu, and Tatsuta while using the Aoba as proxy for the cruisers Furutaka, and Kaku? |
For proxies, did you want unit stats or unit look-a-likes?
US proxies.
Northampton is far closer in stats and visually to Salt Lake City than San Francisco. Here's the card we worked out for her:
I'm no great hand at pre-war US destroyers.
Here's our card for Yubari, Yahagi would be a better look-a-like than Jintsu.
Tenryu and Tatsuta look a bit like Jintsu, but should be far worse stat wise. I'd subtract one from main gunnery at each range. No long-lances and a few less torpedoes, something like 2/2/1 perhaps.
Aoba is practically exactly right for Furutaka and Kako stats-wise, though perhaps a more standard version worth a few less points and without the aggressive tactics SA might be more appropriate.
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| Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:19 am |
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| mutobear wrote: | | Greyh Seer wrote: | You might get faster responses to class lists in the WAS research thread.
As far as the scenario, it looks like you have a great starting outline. I can't wait to see how you flesh out the setup and special rules! |
Come out to Comic Shop Plus this Sunday at noon. |
Is that in MI?
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| Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:02 pm |
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| Greyh Seer wrote: | | mutobear wrote: | | Greyh Seer wrote: | You might get faster responses to class lists in the WAS research thread.
As far as the scenario, it looks like you have a great starting outline. I can't wait to see how you flesh out the setup and special rules! |
Come out to Comic Shop Plus this Sunday at noon. |
Is that in MI? |
Newark, Ohio. |
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| Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:31 pm |
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Although the turn out for the scenario was good. I felt disappointed over all. I expected that Japan should have won. As it turns out that the American side had a marginal victory.
If i was running Japanese air I would have bombed the Islands in the first turn while the Americans couldn't get any offensive units into the air due to darkness. I would have focused my carrier based attack aircraft against the American carriers not the cruisers and destroyers.
The Americans did ok. Not a well as they should have. The Americans should have lost. They were out classed in every way from spotting ability and destroyer gunnery to torpedoes. |
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