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Post subject: Blackeagle's Custom Cards: US Navy
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I've been working on some custom cards for a historical scenario (ought to be quite easy to guess which battle from the cards below) and I thought I'd share them here to get some comments.
Northampton class heavy cruiser
USS Chicago
New Orleans class heavy cruisers
USS Astoria
USS Quincy
USS Vincennes
Atlanta class light cruiser
USS San Juan
Bagley class destroyers
USS Bagley
USS Blue
USS Helm
USS Ralph Talbot
USS Patterson
Benham class destroyer
USS Wilson
Gleaves class destroyers
USS Monssen
USS Buchanan
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These are cool. If you do a four stacker destroyer, I can do some ABDA Battles.
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The Bagley had 16 torpedo tubes, right?
That gives it 8 torpedo dice in total. I'd say 3/3/2/- or 3/2/2/1. With this change in mind maybe it's not necessary to make this new S.A. and you can just give it the audacious S.A. with very similar result.
The same for the Gleaves. with 10 torpedo tubes, shouldn't it be 2/2/1/-?
The Javelin with 10 torpedo tubes has 2/2/1/-. It think the "divide torpedo tubes by 2" rule is consistent among the WoTC cards.
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| NeuralDream wrote: | The Bagley had 16 torpedo tubes, right?
That gives it 8 torpedo dice in total. I'd say 3/3/2/- or 3/2/2/1. With this change in mind maybe it's not necessary to make this new S.A. and you can just give it the audacious S.A. with very similar result.
The same for the Gleaves. with 10 torpedo tubes, shouldn't it be 2/2/1/-?
The Javelin with 10 torpedo tubes has 2/2/1/-. It think the "divide torpedo tubes by 2" rule is consistent among the WoTC cards. |
Not entirely consistent. Fletcher has ten tubes and is only given a torpedo rating of 2/2/-/-. In any case, based on the discussion of Japanese torpedo ratings, it seems like torpedo ratings are based on a ship's broadside, rather than the total number of tubes. This is consistent with American ships as well: Atlanta carries 8 tubes versus Fletchers 10, but can only bring four to bear at one time, so she has half the torpedo rating of a Fletcher.
What is consistent is that no American surface ship has a torpedo rating beyond range 1, so I've followed that pattern here. Basically, American ships seem to get one torpedo die per broadside mount (whether it's a triple, quadruple, or quad), so that's what I've given them. The Bagley class sacrificed a lot to get all those mounts though, so I wanted to give them something that reflects that. That's where the Double Spread SA comes from. |
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| Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:16 pm |
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| Blackeagle wrote: | | NeuralDream wrote: | The Bagley had 16 torpedo tubes, right?
That gives it 8 torpedo dice in total. I'd say 3/3/2/- or 3/2/2/1. With this change in mind maybe it's not necessary to make this new S.A. and you can just give it the audacious S.A. with very similar result.
The same for the Gleaves. with 10 torpedo tubes, shouldn't it be 2/2/1/-?
The Javelin with 10 torpedo tubes has 2/2/1/-. It think the "divide torpedo tubes by 2" rule is consistent among the WoTC cards. |
Not entirely consistent. Fletcher has ten tubes and is only given a torpedo rating of 2/2/-/-. In any case, based on the discussion of Japanese torpedo ratings, it seems like torpedo ratings are based on a ship's broadside, rather than the total number of tubes. This is consistent with American ships as well: Atlanta carries 8 tubes versus Fletchers 10, but can only bring four to bear at one time, so she has half the torpedo rating of a Fletcher.
What is consistent is that no American surface ship has a torpedo rating beyond range 1, so I've followed that pattern here. Basically, American ships seem to get one torpedo die per broadside mount (whether it's a triple, quadruple, or quad), so that's what I've given them. The Bagley class sacrificed a lot to get all those mounts though, so I wanted to give them something that reflects that. That's where the Double Spread SA comes from. |
Makes more sense now. Thanks!
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Post subject: like the double spread SA
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I like the double spread SA concept. Looking at combat footage from Leyte gulf It appeared as if the tubes were deployed not as a broadside per se' but swung out just off from centerline, just enough for the torpedoes to deploy from their racks then fired then the ship would manuever so the tube racks on the opposite side came into play and fired, a common tactic with DD's and light CA torpedo boats. Ever notice how on the USN PT Boats how the Torp tubes are mounted? Forward off centerline outward about 10 to 15 degrees. Thats how a goodly number of DD Capt'ns got the idea and developed the concept to bring her torps to bear very quickly all while "bobbin and weavin chasin the salvos" thereby giving the Double spread concept some "teeth" in my oh so humble opinion. (got cool lookin footage of a DD poppin torps from her port side racks while dodgin shells and then swingin her starboard side about to bear and then spittin torps off her racks on that side. Roughly about 5- 6 mins of cam footage.) If I can figure a way of transfering from VHS to DVD to web I'll get all the VHS copies posted. (got a VHS to DVD recorder but fer some reason the vid quality really sucks on the recorded DVD.)
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I have all the episodes of "Victory at Sea" on DVD, and an ever increasing Video and DVD library of aircraft Gun cam footage, combat photographer footage, etc.
Though off topic: One thing I've noticed in regards to dive bombers and torpedo bombers et. al. is that, as they are making their run in, it is evident from the gun cam footage that the pilots are fireing their mg's/cannon right up to deployment of the payload. Not one A/C. but all the aircraft in the flight are doing it. From what I'm to understand from LTC William Johannson USA, Instructor; History of combat tactics and strategy, Command and Staff College Ft. Leavenworth, KS. that was a tactic used to help "suppress" the AA being directed at them. Sometimes it was actually effective. (Guess it's kinda hard to target somethin when there are hundreds of angry little hornets buzzin in on ya & bouncing around pingin off the armor of the ship.)
Just a note of observation.
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