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Hi all,
How does priming and preparation of FUD compare to WSF? I have a pretty big backlog of WSF minis, but I find the prep time with the furniture polish, spray paint and multiple basecoats takes  more time than the actual painting. Does FUD also have a lot of prep needs, or is it more prime and go? ...wondering if the extra $'s for FUD will save a lot of time prepping and leave me more time to paint!
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Hap Hapablap wrote:
Hi all,
How does priming and preparation of FUD compare to WSF? I have a pretty big backlog of WSF minis, but I find the prep time with the furniture polish, spray paint and multiple basecoats takes  more time than the actual painting. Does FUD also have a lot of prep needs, or is it more prime and go? ...wondering if the extra $'s for FUD will save a lot of time prepping and leave me more time to paint!


Besides the much better detail, the prep time is why I've made the switch to FUD.  It can have a bit of a waxy buildup, so you need to wash it well with a grease-cutting dish soap and then a quick, easy scrub with some rubbing alcohol (I use an old soft bristle tooth brush).  But then, it's prime and go.  I've only had 1 ship where the primer didn't stick and another quick round of dish soap and it was fine.

I figure I say over 2 hours per mini on prep time by making the switch.

I'm hoping the upcoming High Definition Black Acrylate is even simpler to prep.  See my post here:  http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about47173.html for more info about this.  squint181 has posted some pics of his test prints in that thread, too.  I really want this for aircraft as it's supposed to be much stronger/flexible and less brittle than FUD.

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Thanks Grg. You've convinced me to try the switch. I've also noticed that despite all of the prep work, many times, the WSF minis look grainy again a few weeks after painting.

Are there issues with bending (banana) and FUD? ...assuming a solid design.
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Well, I find the FUD too brittle to handle, and the surfaces are often rough and need scraping smooth. And cleaning off the wax has been difficult and never complete in my experience. It can keep oozing out of the internal spaces after multiple cleanings. I have also had a lot of the minis come slightly banana bent with no way to fix it that I am aware of. The bow and stern bend upwards from the middle instead of downwards like the WotC minis. So I am not sold on FUD. The detail is nice, but not when it breaks off so easily while I am prepping, painting and playing. Aircraft are not even a remote consideration to me unless you plan on just displaying them on a shelf.

To each their own. You will have to try it and see what you prefer for yourself.
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Well, I find the FUD too brittle to handle, and the surfaces are often rough and need scraping smooth. And cleaning off the wax has been difficult and never complete in my experience. It can keep oozing out of the internal spaces after multiple cleanings. I have also had a lot of the minis come slightly banana bent with no way to fix it that I am aware of. The bow and stern bend upwards from the middle instead of downwards like the WotC minis. So I am not sold on FUD. The detail is nice, but not when it breaks off so easily while I am prepping, painting and playing. Aircraft are not even a remote consideration to me unless you plan on just displaying them on a shelf.

To each their own. You will have to try it and see what you prefer for yourself.


Interesting.  I've found FUD to be simple to work with as far as cleaning/prep goes.  I've also had a couple of ships have the incline of the hull be a little rough, but not enough where I felt I needed to scrape it smooth.  

The slight banana bend thing does happen, but only about 1 in 10 or 1 in 15 for me.  It is a bummer when even hot water won't get the bend out.  

I've had really good luck with breakage...or lack thereof.  Maybe it's because I base mine, but I haven't had any break yet...planes, yes, but not ships.

Finally, I totally agree with weeds on FUD for aircraft.  Way too brittle.  

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Well, I find the FUD too brittle to handle, and the surfaces are often rough and need scraping smooth. And cleaning off the wax has been difficult and never complete in my experience. It can keep oozing out of the internal spaces after multiple cleanings. I have also had a lot of the minis come slightly banana bent with no way to fix it that I am aware of. The bow and stern bend upwards from the middle instead of downwards like the WotC minis. So I am not sold on FUD. The detail is nice, but not when it breaks off so easily while I am prepping, painting and playing. Aircraft are not even a remote consideration to me unless you plan on just displaying them on a shelf.

To each their own. You will have to try it and see what you prefer for yourself.


Interesting.  I've found FUD to be simple to work with as far as cleaning/prep goes.  I've also had a couple of ships have the incline of the hull be a little rough, but not enough where I felt I needed to scrape it smooth.  

The slight banana bend thing does happen, but only about 1 in 10 or 1 in 15 for me.  It is a bummer when even hot water won't get the bend out.  

I've had really good luck with breakage...or lack thereof.  Maybe it's because I base mine, but I haven't had any break yet...planes, yes, but not ships.

Finally, I totally agree with weeds on FUD for aircraft.  Way too brittle.  

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I second everything Greg said above. I've once received a batch with the grainy texture, but I reported that to customer service and they reprinted the batch for me since FUD isnt supposed to be so grainy.

One thing I did notice is that 'naked' (unpained, unbasecoated) FUD does not like heat or direct sunlight and shows a tendency to start 'sweating', producing a bit of the grainy texture. I solved this by cleaning and basecoating my mini's as soon as I receive them.

If youre used to resin models the FUD is comparable. If your used to the WotC plastic, the FUD seems very brittle. Its just what your used to. FUD won't allow you to drop a mini on a solid floor since you will probably lose some potruding ends. For me its no other than other games miniatures, if you drop a resin or pewter figure you are probably also glueing back parts.

Planes are a no-go in FUD.
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Though I'm a bit necro with this post, i wanted to thank everyone for their feedback. I finally got a chance to order a big batch of Shapeways in FUD, and it arrived just before Christmas. I'm really pleased with it so far. The priming was still time consuming, but much much quicker for me than WSF, and with much more detail on the mini.
I learned what you guys already knew: it is super critical to get the print residue of the model to allow the paint to adhere. i had to multi-coat primer in a few places to cover.
The good news is that I prepped 12 minis, which I think was my first painting in all of 2016! Looking forward to finishing a couple in the coming weeks!
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Hap Hapablap wrote:
Though I'm a bit necro with this post, i wanted to thank everyone for their feedback. I finally got a chance to order a big batch of Shapeways in FUD, and it arrived just before Christmas. I'm really pleased with it so far. The priming was still time consuming, but much much quicker for me than WSF, and with much more detail on the mini.
I learned what you guys already knew: it is super critical to get the print residue of the model to allow the paint to adhere. i had to multi-coat primer in a few places to cover.
The good news is that I prepped 12 minis, which I think was my first painting in all of 2016! Looking forward to finishing a couple in the coming weeks!
-Hap


Excellent! Have fun. I can't wait to see them when you are finished.


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