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I have just been on the site for the Italian battleship, Leonardo-de-Vinci.  I was on a ship which was part of the Meditteranean fleet visiting Venice in April 1951.  On approaching the entrance to the harbour there was the hull of a battleship with the name of Leonardo-de-Vinci on her stern.  I have just been on a website to do with this ship to find out more details and according to the site she was sold for scrap in 1923.  I would like to know why the hull was anchored just outside of Venice in 1951.  Does anyone have any further information?
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This one caught my interest;
Did some research on line could find little;
  One thing that may be possible is she was sold for scrap mainly because of the Washington Naval Treaty, plans were for her and some other WW1 BB's do be modernized,but that would count against the treaty numbers so scrap it is.
 Mussolini gains power and the treaty does't mean much,so maybe it was scheduled for scrap,but never broken up.
Could have been plans for her, but never realized???
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Welcome to the forum sash welcome:
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Good question, and nice to have you here.  Sorry I don't have the answer.
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iirc

she had a magazine explosion in 1919.

the WNT put Italy and France on parity with thier battleship numbers. As the italiab battleships were larger and better armed than the French ones at the time, there wasn't a pressing need to replace it or rebuild it after the explosion
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Would be interesting though in WAS terms.  A Cavour Class Battleship that still had the middle turret.  13 x 12" guns would be nice...
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I have just been on the site for the Italian battleship, Leonardo-de-Vinci.  I was on a ship which was part of the Meditteranean fleet visiting Venice in April 1951.  On approaching the entrance to the harbour there was the hull of a battleship with the name of Leonardo-de-Vinci on her stern. Does anyone have any further information?


An odd one. I just checked to see if there was another Leonardo Da Vinci and there was, but it was a submarine of 1939.

Now… that implies that this famous name was left unused during a period of naval expansion and also implies that the previous hull may still have been 'in the frame'. "We can't build another yet, we may what to re-activate that old hull…"

So… was the hull sold for scrapping as a paper exercise to get around the naval treaties? i.e. "We say it is sold but keep it in hand 'just in case'."

Was it sold to a ship-breaker who subsequently went bust in the 1929 depression and no-one owned it any more?

Was it 'sold for scrap' but kept as a source of spares for her two surviving sister ships. [BTW my favourite option]

Is it another ship?

The last in unlikely but my copies of Conway's and Breyer's world battleship book all say it was sold for scrapping in the early 20s. Odd things happened in Fascist Italy - new ships ran sea trials with guns or whole gun turrets missing in order to win the 'million lire a knot' cash bounty. Is this another example of that or just a blatant treaty violation?

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