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Post subject: Chatellerault fusil mitrailleur, (FM 24/29)  Reply with quote   (Liked by:0)  Like this post
This weapon apparently was considered a "squad automatic weapon" for the French army in 1940.  

Suggested stats:

               (0-1) (2-4) (5-8)
          AI:    7      5        0
          AV:    2      2        0

Possible SA:
      difficult to operate—unit gets -1 to each attack die in defensive
       fire.  (Sharpe)

Specifications:
        1924 model, modified 1929.  
        weight:  8.93 kg (19.69 lb)

        caliber:  7.5mm
        muzzle velocity:  830m/sec (2,690 ft/sec)
         rate of fire:  "vitesse pratique de tir" 150-200 rpm
                  "cadence de tir"  450 rpm
        range (portee):  600-1200m
                      5100 with perforated cartridge ("cartouche a
                       balle perforante").  http://armesfrancaises.free.fr  
                       /FM%20Mle%2024-29.html

I have very little vested in the suggested stats, which were derived by guess and by golly from comparison with AAM, HHR, HHR Cz, Sharpe, and Tom Servo  stats for other weapons.

(caliber figure edited 3.8.09 per Sieur Joseph--Merci).
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Caliber is 7,5 mm

7,5x57mm 1924C round in 1924 and then 7,5x54mm 1929C round in 1929


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The original round used for this gun had some problems (internal barrel explosions among others), so they redesigned it to be slightly less powerful. This could be represented by letting this gun have one hex less range and/or roll 1 die less at the longest range(s) than for instance the Bren.

What do you base the "Difficult to operate" on?

I'm not sure what the conversion rules for LMG's are (if they're in place already), but like the OP said, this was the squad LMG (used just like the Bren), so it might need Covering Fire or whatever ability you're using to represent it providing cover while the rest of the squad moves up.
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Long, long ago when I was researching it, I came across some info that the weapon was troublesome.  I forget the details, but it seemed the best way to differentiate it from its mates.

Glancing through English language websites right now, there seems to be a lot of praise for the weapon.  Maybe I stumbled across a reference to the earlier version.  Anyway, if the French used the thing up until 2000, it couldn't have too many problems.

I'm glad you cleared that up.
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I'm a bit of a fan of the  FM 24/29 LMG. It was a very accurate weapon at long range. Some say that it was even more accurate than the MG34. I don't know what the LMG stats will look like, but I would suggest that it has the same stats as the 34 and better than the Bren, especially at long range.
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One difference between the FM 24/29 an the MG-34 is that the MG-34, when mounted on a tripod, becomes a MMG or HMG.  As far as I can tell, the FM 24/29 didn't have this capability.  

In comparing the FM 24/29 to the MG-34 in its LMG mode (i.e., barrel mounted on bipod or resting on another soldier's shoulder), the main differences appear to be in weight and rate of fire.  

                        FM 24/29                  MG-34 (in LMG mode)

weight:               8.93 kg (19.69 lb)         12 kg (loaded)
caliber:                7.5mm                            7.92 mm
muzzle velocity:     830 m/sec (2,690 ft/sec)      755 m/sec
rate of fire:            150-200 rpm                800-900 rpm
                          450 rpm
range (portee):      600-1200m                   1200m
                     

Wikipedia gives the FM 24/29 a rate of fire of 900, but I think 450-600 max is more reasonable.  http://www.gunsworld.com/french/fm2429_us.htm

If in fact the MG-34 had a significantly higher rate of fire, then the stats should reflect more punch for that weapon than the FM 24/29.  
 

source for MG-34 muzzle velocity:  http://www.jodavidsmeyer.com/combat/military/weapons-german-machine-guns.html visited 2.15.09.

Source for MG-34 range on bipod mount: www.figuras.miniatures.de/mg-34-machine-gun.html visited 2.15.09

Sorry for the ridiculously low muzzle velocity figure for the FM 24/29 in the original post.  It has been edited.
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It's funny, I have a much more positive view of the bren. In fact, I see it as the basic LMG that all others are measured against (and not many come out better).

Encyclopedia of weapons of WW2 (Bishop) says:

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The Bren gun turned out to be a superb light machine-gun. It was robust, reliable, easy to handle and to maintain, and it was not too heavy for its role. it was also very accurate.


This seems to be the general consensus on this weapon on the sites I frequent and the books I read.

On the other hand, I can't find much information on the FM 1924/29 that's positive. The one thing usually pointed out is its weak cartridge, which would in fact make accuracy and power worse at long ranges (hence my suggestion of giving it less range and/or less damage at range).

The MG-34 had a much higher rate of fire than either,  which should be reflected in its short range stats (RoF is more important at closer ranges, while accuracy and power become more important at longer ranges - just compare the two extremes: rifle and SMG). The MG-34 was also very prone to jams, enough so that it warrants modelling as well  Smile .

But from the topic in the Infantry forum I gathered that you don't want separate cards for LMG's anyway...? So how will these differences show up?

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