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Hi everyone,
I'm looking for strategies and/or builds for Germany to deal with KV-1s in 1941 without getting too vulnerable to an infantry swarm. 88s, Elite Panzer IVs aswell as SS units are no option.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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what points level and what sets do you use or not use, and why no Flak 88's?, cus without them there really is not many guns left able to easily hurt a KV
doesn't really leave many tanks left to choose from, Panzer IV ausf.E would probably end up being your mainstay, with Ausf F's simply there for smoke cover, and stug III's could be useful.
but like I say it depends on the pts levels
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| Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:32 pm |
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In this particular case I will have 110 points at my disposal, but I'm looking for strategies in general. I won't use 88s because I simply don't own any. As for the Sets: I have a little bit of everything, no V1 vehicles though.
Trying to kill KV-1s with Panzer IV Es or StuG III Ds isn't a very pointeffective method. This is a rather important factor since I will be playing a campaing in wich heavy losses in one game will make the next one that much harder to win.
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| Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:11 pm |
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| lıkos wrote: | In this particular case I will have 110 points at my disposal, but I'm looking for strategies in general. I won't use 88s because I simply don't own any. As for the Sets: I have a little bit of everything, no V1 vehicles though.
Trying to kill KV-1s with Panzer IV Es or StuG III Ds isn't a very pointeffective method. This is a rather important factor since I will be playing a campaing in which heavy losses in one game will make the next one that much harder to win. |
well for 1941 games there is very little left to take out tanks, so point ineffective or not, you ain't got a choice, its either them out pak 36, or pak 38's
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| Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:41 pm |
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Ah, well now you know how the Germans armoured units felt when they first encountered these monsters. But they still had 88mm guns, you apparantly do not.
Heres what I would do.
Bring a platoon of 4 Panzer III Ausf. Fs(52pts), or Panzer Iv Ausf. E(56pts). All you need to do is to disrupt the KVs with the tanks, and that is very possible. At the most he'll have 3 KVs but likely only 2. If you really want to out number him, rbing 6 or either tank(68-74pts), you'll have 6 attack to disrupt one of them if you concentrate, he has only 2.
Bring Kubelwagons/pioneers(10pt combo each) to finish off the disrupted KVs. If your worried about the kubels being too weak, then Hanomags will work even better.
Heres what I would field:
5x Panzer III Ausf. F (65pts)
2x Pioneers (14pts)
2x Sd Kfz 251 (14pts)
4x Mauser Kar 98k(12pts)
1x Wehrmacht Veteran Infantrymen(5pts)
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| Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:45 pm |
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Thanks for the input.
The ATGs don't pack enough of a punch to be of any use I think.
The Pioneers would at least add some finesse to this tank-rush-strategy. It is very vulnerable to infantry though.
Any other ideas?
On a sidenote: I won't be posting my builds or ideas because my opponent also reads this forum. I'm more or less collecting inspirations.
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:02 am |
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Hopefully, the stuka will fix thw Kv1.....
or try the Romanian trick, swamp it with AT Grenadiers. 6 grenadiers at 24 points and the rest infantry, give him no targets for his guns.
I would try a 110 point Romanian build
Vig Lui 8
12 AT grens 48
18 Rom inf
march up the table and what his tanks die
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:35 am |
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| Maybe the German flame thrower guy. You might get lucky with three "6s" and just toast it! |
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:45 am |
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| TorontoBizz wrote: | | Maybe the German flame thrower guy. You might get lucky with three "6s" and just toast it! |
Getting them close will be a problem.
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:17 am |
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After you both set-up and are ready to do battle, point behind him and ask "What the Hell is that" as he turns his head to see what you are talking about take his KV-1's off the table and throw them against the wall as hard as you can. Can't play them if they are in peices on the floor. 
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:22 am |
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| carrion wrote: | | After you both set-up and are ready to do battle, point behind him and ask "What the Hell is that" as he turns his head to see what you are talking about take his KV-1's off the table and throw them against the wall as hard as you can. Can't play them if they are in peices on the floor. |
Agreed, this about the best you can do without 88s.
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:37 am |
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The Romanias could do the trick, if there are no Maxims on the board. If there are, the Grenadiers won't get to the tanks.
Flamers could be awesome, if I' m lucky. But integrating "being lucky" in my strategy is something I'd rather not do.
Well, I guess I'll have to stick to carrion's plan.
Thanks for the effort guys.
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:15 am |
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| RAEVSKI wrote: | | Hopefully, the stuka will fix thw Kv1..... |
in 1943 builds yes it will
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:18 am |
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(Kübel + Pioneer) x2 - this should od versus a single KV-1 (+12 points advantage) - how mayn KV-1 does your opponent own - and is likely to field?
I thought tha KV-1 was a 1942 unit??? (revision change?)
I would trade you a NA 8-8 if you want - 
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:24 pm |
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| King Tiger wrote: | | RAEVSKI wrote: | | Hopefully, the stuka will fix thw Kv1..... |
in 1943 builds yes it will |
I think RAEVSKI was referring to the JU87B wich has been announced for the Early War Set.
Two KV-1s the the maximum I will have to deal with, but I can't tell how likely it is, that he fields both of them. It might also very well happen that he fields mainly - if not exclusively - infantry.
That's the real problem. If I knew that he would bring both tanks, I could plan accordingly. But now I need a build that is capable of dealing with those beasts while at the same time being able to fight off a soviet infantry swarm.
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:29 pm |
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| Richter von Manthofen wrote: | | I thought tha KV-1 was a 1942 unit??? (revision change?) |
well it should be even earlier, the KV was around from 1939, or at least 40 for the A and E, the revised card says 1941 the old said 42
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:39 pm |
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Add the following negative SA to your opponent's KV-1 card:
Tactical Inflexibility: In 1941, only one of these units may deployed per 100 points.
(In 1941, Russian tank strategy was inspired by that of the French. So while one KV-1 could hold up a German advance for days, chances are [or so I understand] you wouldn't encounter two or three of them in a 100-points-equivalent skirmish. Either that, or I'm just desperate to nerf the KV-1 a little bit for 1941 battles.)
Alternatively, use my custom Panzer III Ausf. J card: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about5940.html |
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| Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:14 pm |
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I would use 3 - 4 Flamingo tanks (1941) and rush them (Speed 4). then pray that you roll 3 sixes. They cant roll for cover and you destroy them. Other than that your swcrewed.
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| My friend (Jeff5665 on this board) once said that his troops could take out any tank with a toothbrush and a box of snowcones. When asked how that would work against a Tiger he said: "You just run up to the tank, rap on the hull, ask them 'Hey guys, ya want a snowcone?' and when they come out, you shank 'em with the toothbrush!" Could that be a viable option against the KV-1s? |
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| Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:31 pm |
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| mercenary_moose wrote: | | My friend (Jeff5665 on this board) once said that his troops could take out any tank with a toothbrush and a box of snowcones. When asked how that would work against a Tiger he said: "You just run up to the tank, rap on the hull, ask them 'Hey guys, ya want a snowcone?' and when they come out, you shank 'em with the toothbrush!" Could that be a viable option against the KV-1s? |
I'll keep that in mind as a last resort.
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