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I'm fighting a scenario two weeks from now, loosely based on Operation Pugilist. We can creat our own armies, but have to use 1943 equipment that was use in North Afirca.
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I will playing the part of the German forces, I will have 100pts to spend and will be deployed in the town. I will recieve "dug-in" bonuses for all infantry units until they move, heavy weapons(AT gun, AA guns, howitzers) can not be moved.
The British will have a 150pt army, and will deploy in the Southern area.
Victory condition goes as follows; the British have a maximum of 20 turns to reach the far side of the map. If they fail to in 20 turns, regardless of German casualties, they loose. If either army is wiped out before 20 turns, then the win goes to the remaining army.
So heres my first draft:
2x PAK 40 AT Gun (22pts)
3x Wehrmacht Veteran Infantrymen (15pts)
1x SS-Haupsturmfuhrer (7pts)
6x Mauser Kar 98k (18pts)
1x MG 42 (10pts)
2x Nebelwerfer 42 (22pts)
3x Fortress Defender(6pts)
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"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak, Courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." - Churchill
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Hm, do you know how much armor he will be bringing? I was going to say if you're britain blitzkrieg it and zoom with crusaders across the battlefield
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Yeah, that will be some trouble. I'm confident my PAK 40s will pick off a couple Crusaders, but if he wants to make a full frontal charge with a Crusader swarm with Matildas bringing up the rear, its going to be close. An 88 with a gun shield would help but that a huge investment and if he goes infantry...
I was actually thinking about bringing a Pz.IV D with an elite crew and holding it behind the front line and then using it to plug any gaps in my line once the British reach the outskirts, but maybe thats too big an investment for a reserve piece.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:35 pm |
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This looks quite interestig.
If I were the british, I would probably leave my tanks at home and attack with either a massive force of SMLEs and Stens or Gurkhas and Brens. Both supportet by some Vickers and a Humber or two.
Based on this, I'd suggest a force mainly consisting of Mg 42s and WVIs plus a Hauptsturmführer and an Oberleutnant or some Panzerfausts.
You could also bring some minefields and place them on the hills to keep the enemy troops in the open during their advance on the city.
This might seem radical, but the map really favours infantry.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:44 pm |
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That is possible but I've found that they are one hit wonders. You get a kill shot off but they die immediately. When I play defensively I always take tons of armor. You could do that and take a spotter. Pound him on the way in and then hit him with infantry when he gets close. Here is what I would do (no restrictions)
SSPG x5
Stormtooper x1
SS Hamster x1
Total - 49
Disciplined Spotter x1
LEL G18 x3
Pak 40 x2
The SS guys can deal with infantry up close and close assault if required. With the SS Units being 7 points each you can edit it however you want. You have 2 pak 40's to hit tanks and the G18's to deal with infantry early on.
You may want to buy a Wespe and spotter combo. It oculd deal out a lot of damage if you can protect it.
You could also take lots of Whermacht Vets, I find them to be very good.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:46 pm |
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I agree, and in that case the Matilda is my only real concern. The British can tally-ho their way to my line quickly, and 1 MG is just not enough against an infantry swarm. Keep up with the comments guys, I have to drive a friend to the airport, i'll be back to revise my build.
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Or take a number of Pak 38's. but no ER would hurt you.
Another list:
Vet Tiger - 65
Whermacht Overleutnant - 13
Whermacht Vet Inf x4 - 20
The Vet Tiger can own the tank battlefield and the Angriff/Vet inf. combo can work well
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:49 pm |
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Oh! I forgot, we agreed that Waffen SS units are banned due to historical purposes with the exception of the Haupsturmfuhrer which will be representing a Wehrmacht officer by proxy.
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I'd probably take my first suggested build, it can hit infantry and tanks early and deal with whats left later on with close assault.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:51 pm |
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| acs0424 wrote: | Or take a number of Pak 38's. but no ER would hurt you.
Another list:
Vet Tiger - 65
Whermacht Overleutnant - 13
Whermacht Vet Inf x4 - 20
The Vet Tiger can own the tank battlefield and the Angriff/Vet inf. combo can work well |
Don't think I didn't have him in mind; 
By I have to keep the Brits from getting the coast, one Vet Tiger will be running up and down trying to contain an armoured swarm, what do you guys think?
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Well it is a vet tiger. With ER. It is powerful beyond compare. I think it could work. And infantry can close assault what the tigr doesnt kill
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:55 pm |
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No SS? Then take Whermacht vets and oberluetnants. They are second only to SS units.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:57 pm |
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Quantity matters a lot in this situation. Four WVIs or some SSPGs will get overwhelmed in no time.
Question: Do the Entrenched SA and the Dug-In scenarion bonus add up? If yes, what about some Sandbagged Machine-Gun Teams? 6/6 defense and Supressive Fire would probably be too powerfull. But it is an option.
You need lots of infantry and as many of them as possible should have the Supressive Fire SA, otherwise you might get overrun by sheer force of numbers. WVIs can deal with most british tanks of that time. For the occasional Matilda or Valentine you should bring a couple of Panzerfausts. The beauty of your position is, that you can force the enemy tanks in CA range by retreating into the second row of town hexes. I don't see the need for expensive guns or tanks. Just have enough Defensive Fire attacks to prevent your enemy from slipping past your lines.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:13 pm |
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Hm, Lykos you may be right. How about:
10 WVI - 50
2 Whermach Oberleutnant - 26
6 Panzerfaust - 24
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:18 pm |
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45pts WVI x9
12pts Oberleutnant
16pts Panzerfaust x4
20pts MG 42 x2
07pts Hauptsturmführer
WVIs form defensive line with MGs at the flanks. Commanders and Panzerfausts form a second line and kill the armor that managed to breakt through the first line.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:33 pm |
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1x Wehrmacht Oberluetnant (12pts)
5x Wehrmacht Veteran Infantrymen (25pts)
1x SS-Haupsturmfuhrer (7pts)
3x Panzerfaust 30 (12pts)
2x MG 42 (20pts)
2x Nebelwerfer 42 (22pts)
1x Fortress Defender (2pts)
Alright guys, heres the first revision. Lykos has talked me out of the PAK 40 gun battery in favour of more infantry. I just really want to keep the Nebels. Are they a liability for their worth?
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:50 pm |
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Without shrapnel 2 they are not worth it. I would take Lykos's list.
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| Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:23 pm |
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With 7/13/10 on AI and Blast and Bombardment, I'm not too worried about sharpnel 2. The British will be in the open for a few good turns and unless I start rolling very badly. Two rocket salvos up my sleeve will make him displace his forces a bit. Hmm, i'm still not sure.
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| Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:45 am |
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Well it depends on your playstyle. I would probably take the Nebels because I love to hit hard early in the game. If you launch the rocket salvos early you could possibly wipe out more than half his force.
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| Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:21 am |
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| The map appears to only have two roads, one on the left and one on the right. Am I correct? Also if you're at the north end of the town (based on the fact that north is always up, and the position of the map in this thread) do you have line of sight all the way down into the dessert? If so, they could be usefull choke points for vehicles. I like the idea of the Neb 42, and G18, good mix of AI and AT, + extended long range. If you'r worried about tanks one or two PAK 38 couldn't hurt. If I were the British I would bring a couple Matildas and a couple of scout cars. Both the Churchill and the Staghound are available for 1943. |
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