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| Planetary Eulogy wrote: | I like the idea of adding the P-40. But...
...what are the whiners going to do when it comes out and turns out to be, effectively a 5-6 point, land-based Wildcat (which, in essence, it was, from a performance standpoint)? |
Now that I've thought it over, I guess the P-40 might actually cause less whining than the P-38 would, since that is likely to be an 8 point land-based Hellcat... |
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| Asbestos wrote: | | Captain Morevo wrote: | | Asbestos wrote: | | I'd like to see the French Carrier Bearn (less fantasy than the Aquila), though I'm not sure what planes would work for it other than the old Helldiver biplanes. |
Vindicators. |
Interesting, though I wonder which will be the more likely French dive bomber. The Vindicators actually saw action, while the SBC Helldivers were actually on the Bearn. EDIT: Also, if Wikipedia is to be believed, more SBC Helldivers were produced than Vindicators.
Also, I hope that the Fi 167 has some sort of SA to commemorate its historic downing of a P-51 (can't trust those brit pilots with anything that isn't a Spitfire apparently). My guess is light defensive armament. |
I don't remember how many Helldivers the French had. I know AB1 and AB3 were equipped with Vindicators and AB2 and AB4 were equipped with LN-41's, but were primarily shore based at the time of the German invasion as Bearn was transporting F4F's and such but ended up in Martinique when France capitulated. I remember reading that two of the AB's carried out flight deck training prior to Bearn leaving for the US but do not remember which two. French ships of WWII was my source if anybody asks. Don't have a copy with me but believe that to be correct. |
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No german carrier, please. Fw-190 is a good idea (the Fi-167 only exist due GZ). A Me-110 or He-111 would be my choice.
I want two more japanese carriers and some good (land based) fighter (not only the George).
And a small, early year war UK carrier with a Fulmar or another '39 carrier based fighter.
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| Planetary Eulogy wrote: | | Planetary Eulogy wrote: | I like the idea of adding the P-40. But...
...what are the whiners going to do when it comes out and turns out to be, effectively a 5-6 point, land-based Wildcat (which, in essence, it was, from a performance standpoint)? |
Now that I've thought it over, I guess the P-40 might actually cause less whining than the P-38 would, since that is likely to be an 8 point land-based Hellcat... |
yeah, the P-38 was far more manuverable, so it would be a land based hellcat, p-40 might get an interceptor and land based, P-38, agility, land based, intercepotter, and would have haevyer strafeing.
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The amazing part is the P-38 being that maneuverable and still being a twin-engine... probably from the "handed" engines' opposite rotation canceling each other's torque.
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| Diamondback wrote: | | The amazing part is the P-38 being that maneuverable and still being a twin-engine... probably from the "handed" engines' opposite rotation canceling each other's torque. |
It's the relatively light weight of the twin boom design, too. |
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| olliande wrote: | As a french, ihope that french aircraft will be french production.
BTW, i hope that russian plane will be russian production too. |
I also hope the two French aircraft in Set IV are the D.520 and the
LN-401. The 'historical' crowd is pushing for the Vindicator, but I say let the French aircraft be French. However, I won't be surprised if the Vindicator shows up in place of the LN-401. The Vindicator also has reprint potential.
A lot of us really pushed the Bearn being in Set IV with R.B. back when he was planning that set. I will be extremely surprised if it is not in there.
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Apologies for the bits of this which rehash.....
This is actually in response to several threads, but is mostly about future sets.
1)Arizona and GZ are pretty much the same animal. Neither left port to fight. US and Germany are even already as far as I am concerned. Let Japan and others do the same with ships like Ise
2)The US fleet is not the be-all, end-all. I play almost exclusively Axis, (since my buddies like to cheeze it with the Hellcats) and I regularly win (about 85%).
3)The Japanese fleet had tons of carriers, the Germans had tons of U-boats. Both had many auxillary vessels which could be introduced. While I would like to see more German units, I don't want the game to devolve into a U-boat/ASW fest with no flavour.
This game is mainly about experimenting, and challenging one another. I don't play with objectives very often, mostly I play to destruction. So sue me  . I don't see anything wrong with RB bringing in more 'fanciful' units as long as they are not the bulk of the set (unless the 'Unglued' idea comes in-but he's Baker, not Garfield).
Those complaining about historical accuracy, have the right and capability to include only those units they feel accurate in their games. The remainder of us are playing for fun, and to do a little 're-writing' here and there......
P.S.-Can we lobby RB to put out a set of admirals cards? That is the coolest thing I have seen yet for this game.
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Mind posting AAR's of some of your future "Killed the Cheese" games? The whiners about "USN Air=Godzilla" around here are rather obnoxious, and I'm always looking for data to prove that if they put half as much effort into "creative asymmetrical-warfare" as they do into grousing...
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| Diamondback wrote: | | Mind posting AAR's of some of your future "Killed the Cheese" games? The whiners about "USN Air=Godzilla" around here are rather obnoxious, and I'm always looking for data to prove that if they put half as much effort into "creative asymmetrical-warfare" as they do into grousing... |
No, they don't. In fact for all their whining, most of them PLAY US, and with the very fleets they complain about... 
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I was saying "if they put half as much effort into building as bitching, they might beat the so-called Cheese".
Especially since as Munchkin Wrangler, I gotta start throwin' down "Bring the Cheese" challenges and sinking their pretty plane-laden barges...
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| Duck Crusader wrote: | | Diamondback wrote: | | Mind posting AAR's of some of your future "Killed the Cheese" games? The whiners about "USN Air=Godzilla" around here are rather obnoxious, and I'm always looking for data to prove that if they put half as much effort into "creative asymmetrical-warfare" as they do into grousing... |
No, they don't. In fact for all their whining, most of them PLAY US, and with the very fleets they complain about... |
Im offended by this, even though I would not classify myself as a whiner I do howver still complain about the cost of many US units and/or urealistic stats (that also goes for IJN, nagato for example, but it's not as bad). But I almost NEVER play USN, and play IJN 95% of the time (and playing USN, KM and RN the rest of the time) and I enjoy winning with it (which I do 60-70% of the time). So I hope you are'nt talking about anyone specific!
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Andreas, you're not guilty of the core offense of "hypocrisy", so take some comfort that some of us don't mean you when we snark off.
Ducks is just a bit more diplomatically-challenged than I am.
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What's diplomacy? Is that where you make demands before the summary executions? How are they gonna know you're serious if you do it that way?
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No, Ducks, diplomacy is the art of turning former foes into friends, avoiding making new enemies, and stalling the ones you already have for time to get your forces built up and teched up.
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Actually, DIPLOMACY is one of the best board games ever invented!
As a newb to the game I have heard quite a bit about the American "Cheese" (OK, I'll bite... WHY "cheese"?) and it's invincibility. It seems obvious that a well planned and executed IJN fleet can take on a tactical bully playing the USN.
My question with the whole debate is that... I thought the whole point of a point system was to make the conflicts EQUAL. Otherwise, what's the POINT?!
(Well, I suppose one could argue the point system was designed to re-create historical advantages rather than equal conflicts but if that's the concept one ought to just say so.)
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| JuggernautJ wrote: | Actually, DIPLOMACY is one of the best board games ever invented!
As a newb to the game I have heard quite a bit about the American "Cheese" (OK, I'll bite... WHY "cheese"?) and it's invincibility. It seems obvious that a well planned and executed IJN fleet can take on a tactical bully playing the USN.
My question with the whole debate is that... I thought the whole point of a point system was to make the conflicts EQUAL. Otherwise, what's the POINT?!
(Well, I suppose one could argue the point system was designed to re-create historical advantages rather than equal conflicts but if that's the concept one ought to just say so.) |
Yes, that is what a point system is for. But the Devil is in the details. And there are always disagreements about the details.
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Which "that?"
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| Does any one know what ships or aircraft are coming out in the new starter in January 1 next year.besides i know of new map set in it. |
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| JuggernautJ wrote: | | Which "that?" |
That the point system is meant to make both sides roughly equal at the same build point total. But that does NOT take into account knowing the right tactics and having a good strategy for your build.
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