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I agree with ND it was not a great starter, but it is also true the Baltimore is a very expensive piece to buy online. So it is good in the long run.
I bought a starter and two boosters when I decided to look at the game and they were so bad I almost wrote off the game. I got a Graf Spee in the starter and a Rodney and Kongo in the boosters. In retrospect, those were great units, but the miniatures looked so mundane to my 'modelers eyes' used to more detailed 1:1200 metal miniatures I almost wrote it off. I even told my gaming club 'the rules seem pretty good, but the miniatures are dissappointing.' Fortunately, I am a WWII naval history fan so I stuck with it for a couple more boosters and got an Akagi which impressed me a lot more with the sculpt and paint.
I think having a 'fixed set' of good looking units in the new Starter will help with newbie 'out of box experience.' Hopefully, the units will be balanced so a small game can be played with just the pieces in the starter.
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| Andreas3 wrote: |
You can't be serious, my starter contained:
HMS Exeter
HMS Javelin
USS Samuel B. Roberts
Hurricane
Shoho
Kinai Maru
Type13 Subchaser
U510
D3A Val
And I had NO boosters to go with (the store did'nt have any), I would've LOVED to get a starter with at least a good cruiser for the axis, but I had to wait 10 days before I got two new boosters and my friend got a starter and booster, and after that we could make OK balanced fleets. |
Go Go Subchaser! 
Hmm, with the Shoho, the Axis should wait until the Allies have to place their Hurricane, then sic the D3A on the ships. Probably hit a DD first to open up possibilities for the U-boat. An interesting little convoy battle scenario, until it gets boring. |
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| dracos42 wrote: | | Andreas3 wrote: |
You can't be serious, my starter contained:
HMS Exeter
HMS Javelin
USS Samuel B. Roberts
Hurricane
Shoho
Kinai Maru
Type13 Subchaser
U510
D3A Val
And I had NO boosters to go with (the store did'nt have any), I would've LOVED to get a starter with at least a good cruiser for the axis, but I had to wait 10 days before I got two new boosters and my friend got a starter and booster, and after that we could make OK balanced fleets. |
Go Go Subchaser!
Hmm, with the Shoho, the Axis should wait until the Allies have to place their Hurricane, then sic the D3A on the ships. Probably hit a DD first to open up possibilities for the U-boat. An interesting little convoy battle scenario, until it gets boring. |
Yeah but the allied player always escorted his Exeter with the javelin and either sacrificed the Samuel B. Roberts or protected it with the hurricane, the U510 could only be one place at a time and SHoho and Kinai Mary had sucky armor, the allied fleet always won...
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| Andreas3 wrote: | | NeuralDream wrote: | | Your starter is the worst I've ever seen. |
You can't be serious, my starter contained:
HMS Exeter
HMS Javelin
USS Samuel B. Roberts
Hurricane
Shoho
Kinai Maru
Type13 Subchaser
U510
D3A Val
And I had NO boosters to go with (the store did'nt have any), I would've LOVED to get a starter with at least a good cruiser for the axis, but I had to wait 10 days before I got two new boosters and my friend got a starter and booster, and after that we could make OK balanced fleets. |
My starter came with
Salt Lake City
Javelin
Daunless
Devastator
Shoho
Zeke
Kinai Maru
U510
Yukikaze
axis allways won with U510 and Zeke
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My first starter had an Enterprise, I opened it in the store and as soon as the owner saw what I pulled, he offered me a booster for it, I took the offer and pulled a second Enterprise from the booster. He wanted that one as well but I kept it, he sold the first one within the hour for $25 so we all won.
BTW I had bought a starter and I think it it was 10 or 11 boosters before I got my first Japanese mini, that was kind of freaky with the fact there were a lot of Japanese pieces in the first set;p |
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| Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:13 pm |
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"I took the offer and pulled a second Enterprise
Your shop owner sounds like he deliberately took advantage of you.
You were GOLDEN that day. Did you buy a lotto ticket ?
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| Europa1942 wrote: | | Andreas3 wrote: | | NeuralDream wrote: | | Your starter is the worst I've ever seen. |
You can't be serious, my starter contained:
HMS Exeter
HMS Javelin
USS Samuel B. Roberts
Hurricane
Shoho
Kinai Maru
Type13 Subchaser
U510
D3A Val
And I had NO boosters to go with (the store did'nt have any), I would've LOVED to get a starter with at least a good cruiser for the axis, but I had to wait 10 days before I got two new boosters and my friend got a starter and booster, and after that we could make OK balanced fleets. |
My starter came with
Salt Lake City
Javelin
Daunless
Devastator
Shoho
Zeke
Kinai Maru
U510
Yukikaze
axis allways won with U510 and Zeke |
So the allied play could'nt even manage to stay out of range of the lone U510 and steal the other objectives?
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| Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:21 pm |
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We don't play for abjectives just to destroy the other player
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| Europa1942 wrote: | | We don't play for abjectives just to destroy the other player |
welcome to the club. In real war would ships try to control a certain piece of water.
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| LuckyE77 wrote: | | Europa1942 wrote: | | We don't play for abjectives just to destroy the other player |
welcome to the club. In real war would ships try to control a certain piece of water. |
In truth, the problem with objectives and with death match style play is that they both encourage fleets to simply mash in the middle of the board with little strategy involved. I can't tell you how many of my games have been decided by who wins the begin surface melee that inevitably ensues around the objectives.
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Thats pretty much what happens. we get all of our bbs in the center for the final battle most of our planes r gone by then
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That starter is pretty awful but the boosters more than make up for it, in my opinion. Richilieu is a great ship, Bismarck is pretty darn good as well.
The solution to avoiding bad pulls is to buy the singles you want or just save up and buy a case.
Of course you're going to get some of the crappy rares, it's inevitable but along with those crappy rares, you'll get Enterprise, Iowa, Yamato, etc.
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| Europa1942 wrote: | | We don't play for abjectives just to destroy the other player |
I still cant belive how the allied play could possible loose:
Stay out of range of the U510, place the dauntless against the Yukikaze or Shoho, he'll proberbly place his zero to defend it so that gives your devastator a free shot against the sub, keep going like that and finnish off the Yukkaze from a distance or with your dauntless...no hard atall...
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| NeuralDream wrote: | | Your starter is the worst I've ever seen. |
I know I have issues with the Baltimore but it's not that bad...
No, hold on, I just spotted Jintsu and Kinai Maru. Yeah, it's bad!
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Yeah not the best starter in terms of game play, but you could have done much worse. A Bolzano or Canberra would have really sucked.
The Baltimore and Kinai Maru definately have trade/resale value that could net you 2-3 less expensive rares that play better if you are willing to go that route. They are highly valued because people want multiples of each.
Hope you are enjoying tha game so far.
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His starter pack-
STARTER :
USS Baltimore- decent- good trade value
IJN Jintsu- total crap
IJN Kinai Maru- meh- trade it
USN Aircraft TBD Devestator- crap
IJN Yukikaze- overpriced crap
Aircraft Swordfish- awful- armor 3, always aborted
Let Terrible- ummm, guess you need it for a set.
Stuka- crap
U510 - good sub but you need 2 or more!
That's just an awful starter. Could it be worse? Yes-
HMAS Canberra or Exeter as your rare
Hurricane instead of the Stuka
Ambra instead of U510
Subchaser instead of Le terrible
That's about the only things that could make it worse.
Hey, these things happen in the world of random, collectible miniatures. I remember buying a pack of Heroclix and getting all rookie pieces in it. I was so pissed off, I think i quit the game. lol
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| Andreas3 wrote: | | Europa1942 wrote: | | We don't play for abjectives just to destroy the other player |
I still cant belive how the allied play could possible loose:
Stay out of range of the U510, place the dauntless against the Yukikaze or Shoho, he'll proberbly place his zero to defend it so that gives your devastator a free shot against the sub, keep going like that and finnish off the Yukkaze from a distance or with your dauntless...no hard atall... |
The devastator went down the first round every time so when dauntless sank shoho zeke cam out every time dauntless did from then on and allways sent her home (and after a while she had no surface tagets anyway) plus zeke managed to roll 2 6s a few times when strafing salt lak city and that helped.
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Are you playing with the rules update?
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