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| jfkziegler wrote: | | I'm just glad that Soryu will allow us to make the original Kido Butai for game play. |
I hope predictions about the release of A6M5 Zeroes are true. I want to use them against Wildcats, to see if they finally help capture the feel of the early years, when the balance was more in Japan's favor.
As for the two French Ships in set 3 and the two French Aircraft in set 4, does that include the Bearn and her Vindicators that R.B. mentioned? I now suspect the two French Ships in set 3 might be a Suffren and a repaint, and that we'll get the Bearn and some Aircraft when the French are "rounded out" in set 4. Pure speculation.
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| chesty wrote: | | jfkziegler wrote: | | I'm just glad that Soryu will allow us to make the original Kido Butai for game play. |
I hope predictions about the release of A6M5 Zeroes are true. I want to use them against Wildcats, to see if they finally help capture the feel of the early years, when the balance was more in Japan's favor.
As for the two French Ships in set 3 and the two French Aircraft in set 4, does that include the Bearn and her Vindicators that R.B. mentioned? I now suspect the two French Ships in set 3 might be a Suffren and a repaint, and that we'll get the Bearn and some Aircraft when the French are "rounded out" in set 4. Pure speculation.
Two and a half months to go. Time sure flies, doesn't it? |
I figure we will get the Suffren and a destroyer (possibly Aigle class) in Set III. In Set IV we should get Bearn', V-156F, and most likely the D.520. It is possible he coud do the D.790 (navalized D.520) so it can base on Bearn or just give Bearn an SA for the D.520, either way. I just hope it is not the D.370. Although something would be better than nothing. There is also the possibility of a Loire 130, or a PBY reprint so the French have a patrol bomber. I just want more French units. They need to at least be comparable to the Italians. And if they go enough sets we may see the Joffre/Panlieve, Alsace, and dare I say it .... the improved Mogador class. Of course a sub with Submerged Shot would be really good too. The Casabianca simply cannot defend itself against other subs. |
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| chesty wrote: |
I hope predictions about the release of A6M5 Zeroes are true. I want to use them against Wildcats, to see if they finally help capture the feel of the early years, when the balance was more in Japan's favor. |
Midway was 6 months into the war and wildcats had a 3 to 1 kill ratio over zeros in the battle.
And again the zero was not the over dominating killing machine its hearlded as.
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The A6M5 zero was a marginal improvement over the previous versions. If we were to be true to history, it would probably have exactly the same stats as the Zeke that we have. For decent Japanese aircraft you need to look at land-based ones, most notably Ki-84.
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| NeuralDream wrote: | | The A6M5 zero was a marginal improvement over the previous versions. If we were to be true to history, it would probably have exactly the same stats as the Zeke that we have. For decent Japanese aircraft you need to look at land-based ones, most notably Ki-84. |
What about the George?
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Sure, that one too.
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| thalan wrote: | | chesty wrote: |
I hope predictions about the release of A6M5 Zeroes are true. I want to use them against Wildcats, to see if they finally help capture the feel of the early years, when the balance was more in Japan's favor. |
Midway was 6 months into the war and wildcats had a 3 to 1 kill ratio over zeros in the battle.
And again the zero was not the over dominating killing machine its hearlded as. |
Yes it was, untill Midway where the US Navy pilotes started using dive-attack tactics. And even then the japanese quickly recovered, and after that the two planes were almost completly equal!!! It was not untill the Hellcat came into play that the tables really turned! The combination of a way superior aircraft and a significent decrease in the opposing sides pilots grante the US Navy pilots and their Hellcats some REALLY easy kills.
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I have to say I like all the talk about the French units. Until recently I despised getting French units and rarely play them. I have done some reading and have come to realize there is an opportunity for some great alternate history scenarios with the French.
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| NeuralDream wrote: | | Sure, that one too. |
Especially if you want them to be in the air instead of the maintenance hangar... 
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I'm thinking Shinano will be the IJN carrier for Set IV. Call me crazy, but we already have the USN sub that sank Shinano, so why wouldn't she show up herself?
I have a another crazy idea about a second IJN carrier for Set IV. R.B. has mentioned seaplane tenders before. So what about Chitose or Chiyoda, in both their seaplane tender and aircraft carrier forms?
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| dracos42 wrote: | I'm thinking Shinano will be the IJN carrier for Set IV. Call me crazy, but we already have the USN sub that sank Shinano, so why wouldn't she show up herself?
I have a another crazy idea about a second IJN carrier for Set IV. R.B. has mentioned seaplane tenders before. So what about Chitose or Chiyoda, in both their seaplane tender and aircraft carrier forms?
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Sigh. I don't know why there is so much interest in Shinano. Size I guess. But it was a really stupid design. I would much rather have Kaga, Hiryu, Taiho, and Ryujo/Hiyo first. Even the Unryu and Taiyo classes would be more useful than Shinano. But I fear you may get your wish if R.B. feels like he needs a really big sculpt to showcase a set.
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| chesty wrote: |
I hope predictions about the release of A6M5 Zeroes are true. |
We got that one directly from R.B. at GenCon.
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| NeuralDream wrote: | | The A6M5 zero was a marginal improvement over the previous versions. If we were to be true to history, it would probably have exactly the same stats as the Zeke that we have. For decent Japanese aircraft you need to look at land-based ones, most notably Ki-84. |
I think the A6M5 will have the Wildcat's stats. And I think that is exactly where the Zeke should have been in the first place. The trade-off was armor for maneuverability. In the WaS game mechanic that comes out about the same stats- wise. (Actually, I think the Wildcat should have had the Zeke's stats, but that is water under the bridge.)
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| Andreas3 wrote: | | thalan wrote: | | chesty wrote: | | I hope predictions about the release of A6M5 Zeroes are true. I want to use them against Wildcats, to see if they finally help capture the feel of the early years, when the balance was more in Japan's favor. :wink: |
Midway was 6 months into the war and wildcats had a 3 to 1 kill ratio over zeros in the battle.
And again the zero was not the over dominating killing machine its hearlded as. |
Yes it was, untill Midway where the US Navy pilotes started using dive-attack tactics. And even then the japanese quickly recovered, and after that the two planes were almost completly equal!!! It was not untill the Hellcat came into play that the tables really turned! The combination of a way superior aircraft and a significent decrease in the opposing sides pilots grante the US Navy pilots and their Hellcats some REALLY easy kills. |
I remember reading books where, early in the war, the US pilots marveled at how steep the Vals made their dives. They changed their tactics with the SBDs and became much more accurate. Sometimes they were a bit too steep and the gunner would be hanging from his straps, unable to see the front of the SBD!
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| weedsrock2 wrote: |
Sigh. I don't know why there is so much interest in Shinano. Size I guess. But it was a really stupid design. I would much rather have Kaga, Hiryu, Taiho, and Ryujo/Hiyo first. Even the Unryu and Taiyo classes would be more useful than Shinano. But I fear you may get your wish if R.B. feels like he needs a really big sculpt to showcase a set. |
Agreed I would be very disapointed if we see a Shinano before carriers that were key players in major battles. What is Shinano famous for size and being sunk.
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| defender390 wrote: | | Andreas3 wrote: | | thalan wrote: | | chesty wrote: | | I hope predictions about the release of A6M5 Zeroes are true. I want to use them against Wildcats, to see if they finally help capture the feel of the early years, when the balance was more in Japan's favor. |
Midway was 6 months into the war and wildcats had a 3 to 1 kill ratio over zeros in the battle.
And again the zero was not the over dominating killing machine its hearlded as. |
Yes it was, untill Midway where the US Navy pilotes started using dive-attack tactics. And even then the japanese quickly recovered, and after that the two planes were almost completly equal!!! It was not untill the Hellcat came into play that the tables really turned! The combination of a way superior aircraft and a significent decrease in the opposing sides pilots grante the US Navy pilots and their Hellcats some REALLY easy kills. |
I remember reading books where, early in the war, the US pilots marveled at how steep the Vals made their dives. They changed their tactics with the SBDs and became much more accurate. Sometimes they were a bit too steep and the gunner would be hanging from his straps, unable to see the front of the SBD! |
I was talking about fighter tactics, the pilots would dive their Wildcats out of the sun and using their superior weapons to shoot some zeros then use their superior speed (gained through the dive) to get the hell away and not involving them in a turning dogfight.
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| weedsrock2 wrote: | | I think the A6M5 will have the Wildcat's stats. And I think that is exactly where the Zeke should have been in the first place. The trade-off was armor for maneuverability. In the WaS game mechanic that comes out about the same stats- wise. (Actually, I think the Wildcat should have had the Zeke's stats, but that is water under the bridge.) |
I sincerely hope you're right about the stats, and I completely agree about the rest. Well said!  |
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| afilter wrote: | | weedsrock2 wrote: |
Sigh. I don't know why there is so much interest in Shinano. Size I guess. But it was a really stupid design. I would much rather have Kaga, Hiryu, Taiho, and Ryujo/Hiyo first. Even the Unryu and Taiyo classes would be more useful than Shinano. But I fear you may get your wish if R.B. feels like he needs a really big sculpt to showcase a set. |
Agreed I would be very disapointed if we see a Shinano before carriers that were key players in major battles. What is Shinano famous for size and being sunk. |
Yes, but this is also a "What if?" game, and what unit fits that description better than Shinano?
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| jfkziegler wrote: | | afilter wrote: | | weedsrock2 wrote: |
Sigh. I don't know why there is so much interest in Shinano. Size I guess. But it was a really stupid design. I would much rather have Kaga, Hiryu, Taiho, and Ryujo/Hiyo first. Even the Unryu and Taiyo classes would be more useful than Shinano. But I fear you may get your wish if R.B. feels like he needs a really big sculpt to showcase a set. |
Agreed I would be very disapointed if we see a Shinano before carriers that were key players in major battles. What is Shinano famous for size and being sunk. |
Yes, but this is also a "What if?" game, and what unit fits that description better than Shinano? |
but I prefer having CV from classes that have more than just one unique unit.
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| afilter wrote: | | I have to say I like all the talk about the French units. Until recently I despised getting French units and rarely play them. I have done some reading and have come to realize there is an opportunity for some great alternate history scenarios with the French. |
The same could be said of the Italians. For game purposes, the possibilities are interesting. One of my favorite "what if... ?" scenarios involves French forces, on the Japanese side, defending their interest in Indochina. Dubious, but intriquing.  |
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