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It can be either one of the five types used by the Greeks (400 Hotchkiss M.1914 7,92mm, 1,752 Hotchkiss M.1926 7,92mm, 2,300 Saint Etienne M.1907 T 8mm, 230 Schwarzlose 6,5mm, 170 Maxim (sMG 08) M.1908 7,92mm ) or maybe a capture Italian one.
Any idea?
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I can't even tell that it is an MG, not clear enough.
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| Wed May 06, 2009 12:46 am |
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Its definitely an air-cooled machine gun, and the "bicycle seat" on tripod + "barrel ring" visible on picture is pointing at this candidate: St. Étienne Mle 1907
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| Wed May 06, 2009 7:39 am |
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That was my guess too, but the seat is different. Or doesn't that matter? So, you are positive that it isn't the Hotchkiss one, right?
Hotchkiss 1914:
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| Wed May 06, 2009 8:06 am |
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Look at the MG barrel (next to the left soldier's helmet) - there is no such massive ring on Hotchkiss.
The seat is probably "home made", from a bicycle (I guess the original one could be quite cold and incomfortable in winter).
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| Wed May 06, 2009 12:33 pm |
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I think I will agree with you. Many thanks Sindor  . This is the next unit in my blog. I had finished a great colorization for this, but I wasn't certain it was the St. Etienne one.
I'll probably add it tonight:
greek-war-equipment.blogspot.com
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| Wed May 06, 2009 12:50 pm |
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Ok, it's in my blog. And that's the colorization of the picture above:
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| Wed May 06, 2009 5:24 pm |
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definatly St ettienne.
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| Wed May 06, 2009 9:24 pm |
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One more for identification
greek artilley
I'd be grateful if you could help identifying it .
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| Fri May 08, 2009 1:16 am |
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It can be either a captured Italian one or one of the three types they had at the beginning of the war (•75mm L/19 Field Howitzer
•85mm L/35 Schneider Field Gun (French)
•105mm L/19 Field Howitzer)
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| Fri May 08, 2009 1:17 am |
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straight of it looks like the french schneider. but i'll double check
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| Fri May 08, 2009 3:26 am |
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It is a Schneider, but which one? 105mm was more massive. 75mm had square front shield not pertruding over wheels.
So, because of the length of barrel and gun shield I tend to say its 85mm L/35 Schneider Field Gun.
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| Fri May 08, 2009 8:03 am |
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Canon de 85 modèle 1927 Schneider
I can find its specs:
weight 1,985 kilograms
Barrel length 2.96 metres (117 in) L/34.8
Shell 10 kilograms
Carriage split trail
Elevation -6° to +65°
Traverse 54°
Muzzle velocity 670 m/s (2,198 ft/s)
Maximum range 15,150 metres (16,570 yd)
but no other photo to check.
Complicating things, another source has the following heavy guns for the Greeks in service in 1940:
(I've kept only those not much bigger than 100mm)
Heavy Guns Schneider Mle 1925 105mm 48
Heavy Guns Μ Schneider Mle 1925 85mm 48
Heavy Guns Krupp 105mm * 3
Mountain Guns Schneider Mle 1919 105mm 120
Mountain Guns Schneider Mle 1919 75mm 192
Mountain Guns Schneider - Dagli Mle 1908 75mm 48
Mountain Guns Skoda m.1916 105mm * 7
Mountain Guns Skoda 75mm * 22
Mountain Guns Saint Etienne(?) Mle 1906 65mm 110
Field Guns Schneider-Canet Mle 1908 75mm * 56
Field Guns Schneider Mle 1907 75mm * 4
Field Guns Schneider Mle 1904 75mm * 20
Field Guns Krupp m. 1904-1910 75mm * 128
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| Fri May 08, 2009 9:41 am |
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Greeks had whole artillery museum in 1940 - have you ever heard about standartisation?
Eliminate from the list everything with bigger caliber than 100mm - this gun is simply not so heavy.
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| Fri May 08, 2009 10:08 am |
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Found it:
The website only mentions Schneider_field_gun, but at least now I know where to look for it. It's outside the National War Museum, Athens.
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| Fri May 08, 2009 10:33 am |
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So, which one is it?
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| Fri May 08, 2009 1:00 pm |
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I'm not 100% certain yet. It's probably the 85. Let's see if Raevski managed to double-check.
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| Fri May 08, 2009 2:15 pm |
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Hey, what is that grey thing on the background? It looks like armoured horse-cart to me...
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| Fri May 08, 2009 7:57 pm |
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| Sindor wrote: | | Hey, what is that grey thing on the background? It looks like armoured horse-cart to me... |
This website says "bulgarian armoured carriage" http://www.flickr.com/photos/orange27/2888180663/
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| Fri May 08, 2009 7:59 pm |
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What the hell  It is really a 4-HP tank ... So strange I consider making a card for it
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