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Last Update: 07/18/09 by bondboy:
moved some units from set III to setIV


Set III: Flank Speed
1 Sep 2009
40 Units (31 new sculpts)

We already know the following units:

Britain
R Prince of Wales (KGV reprint)
R HMS Repulse (new sculpt)
C Martlet (Wildcat reprint)
C Flower class corvette (new sculpt)

France
At least two ships
No Surcouf
No aircraft

Germany
R Prinz Eugen (Admiral Hipper reprint)
R Schleswig-Holstein (New Sculpt)
U Ju-88 Torpedo Bomber(New Sculpt)
C T29 Torpedoboat DE (New Sculpt)
C U-47 (New, VIIB class)
*Auxiliary

Italy
R CV Aquila (new sculpt)
C Re.2001 (new sculpt?)

Japan
R Nagato (new sculpt)
R Soryu (new sculpt)
R Aoba  (new sculpt)
U Oi (new sculpt)
C A6M5 Zero (reprint, new stats)
C Jill Torpedo Bomber (reprint?)
C Shigure DD (new sculpt)
*Auxiliary

Soviet Union
R October Revolution (New Sculpt)
C a Destroyer

United States
R CV 11 Intrepid (new sculpt)
R BB 55 North Carolina (Washington reprint)
R BB 39 Arizona (new Sculpt)
R CB 1 USS Alaska (new sculpt)
U CL 53 San Diego (Atlanta reprint)
C DD 661 Kidd (Fletcher reprint)
C DD 360 Phelps (new sculpt)
U LSD 5 Gunston Hall (new sculpt)

*we know we are getting an Axis equivalent to the LSD for the US, we do not know which nation is receiving it though

Set IV: Condition Zebra
(a caveat: # will indicate any unit that has been stated to be coming in the future, but not confirmed specifically as a set III, thus presumed to be, but not confirmed as, a set IV release)

Britain
#U a flying boat (new sculpt, Sunderland?)

France
Two aircraft, type not specified (R.B. blog)

Germany
#R Gneisenau (Scarnhorst reprint)
C Fi 167
C FW 190

Greece

R Georgios Averoff

Japan
C George
R Junyo

Netherlands
U Hr MS Java

Soviet Union
#R Lutzow/Petropavlovsk/Tallinn (Hipper reprint?)

United States
#U USS Nashville
R West Virginia
C Marine Corps F4U Corsair
#U B-24 Liberator (new sculpt)
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Thanks for putting this together and cleaning it up. My only comment is I think the Lutzow/Tallin is speculation. What we know is we are getting a Soviet cruiser. Personally, I think it is somewhat suspect that we would get two reprints of the same ship (Hipper) in a Set. But maybe you heard something else more specific than what we heard at GenCon?
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I'm a bit disappointed with so many reprints and lack of important ships such a KAGA, etc.
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I'm a bit disappointed with so many reprints and lack of important ships such a KAGA, etc.


Well, the set is only going to have 40 units, and only 9 of them are going to be reprints. So that is a much lower percentage of reprints than set 2. And a lot of people like the reprints for the different SA's. I am sure he will get to all the ships by Set VII! Wink
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@Neural,

You can update the name of Set III (Flank Speed) and the date of availability (June 9, 2009) now.
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I guess we can add the following units to the Set III list now (from a post by Alerian over on the Gleemax forum):

Germany:
Schleswig-Holstein (new sculpt)

US:
USS Arizona (new sculpt)

Japan:
"Jill" Torpedo Bomber (repaint?)

Soviet Union:
October Revolution (new sculpt)

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1116821
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Oh well, I am 2 out of 4 for that round. I am personally not that excited about the Schleswig-Holstein or the Arizona in gaming terms (or Gangut either), but I know a lot of folks will like getting them.

There must be a lot of demand though for WotC to pick them for the 'marketing fluff' to go in the catalog.
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Oh well, I am 2 out of 4 for that round. I am personally not that excited about the Schleswig-Holstein or the Arizona in gaming terms (or Gangut either), but I know a lot of folks will like getting them.

There must be a lot of demand though for WotC to pick them for the 'marketing fluff' to go in the catalog.


I think getting a pre-dreadnaught will be neat, and Arizona should be distinct from TN/CA since she never recieved the upgrades those two ships did.  She may well be an interesting piece (here's hoping for a "magazine explosion" SA  Rolling Eyes ).  The Jill will be great.  As for the Russians, I'm not necessarily excited that they made their way into the game at all.
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weell here is hoping the Arizona will have something that will make her worthy of all the demand that there has been for her. as to the inclusion f more axillery units I say great! As for the russians, I am still on the fence about them, I will wait to see them and then make up my mind.
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the Arizona is pointless, we play historical limits round here, so anywhere before 1941-2 the Yanks practically were not involved, and now we have a ship sunk in 1941....and our most common date limit is 1942-3........pointless
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the Arizona is pointless, we play historical limits round here, so anywhere before 1941-2 the Yanks practically were not involved, and now we have a ship sunk in 1941....and our most common date limit is 1942-3........pointless


The year limit defines the earliest year they can played, not when it stops being available. So Arizona would be no different than any other US ship that existed on December 7. Do you limit all of the ships you play to the date they were sunk? That would take a lot of record-keeping. And there would be a lot of them from all nations with fairly short active-duty lives.
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@Neural.

I think you can delete the German "WWI era Dreadnaught" from the Set IV list now that Schleswig-Holstein is 'confirmed' for Set III.

I looked up the original WotC catalog post on the net and it seems pretty legitimate. The poster listed the one-paragraph descriptions for all of the WotC products in the catalog, not just for Flank Speed. It soundls like Rich will likely confirm at least some of them soon.
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the Arizona is pointless, we play historical limits round here, so anywhere before 1941-2 the Yanks practically were not involved, and now we have a ship sunk in 1941....and our most common date limit is 1942-3........pointless


The year limit defines the earliest year they can played, not when it stops being available. So Arizona would be no different than any other US ship that existed on December 7. Do you limit all of the ships you play to the date they were sunk? That would take a lot of record-keeping. And there would be a lot of them from all nations with fairly short active-duty lives.

Battleships, aircraft carriers and cruisers yes, its easy to obtain information about sinking dates, proper launch dates, sisters etc etc, even if it limits some later war units/nations

things like destroyers no
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the Arizona is pointless, we play historical limits round here, so anywhere before 1941-2 the Yanks practically were not involved, and now we have a ship sunk in 1941....and our most common date limit is 1942-3........pointless


The year limit defines the earliest year they can played, not when it stops being available. So Arizona would be no different than any other US ship that existed on December 7. Do you limit all of the ships you play to the date they were sunk? That would take a lot of record-keeping. And there would be a lot of them from all nations with fairly short active-duty lives.

Battleships, aircraft carriers and cruisers yes, its easy to obtain information about sinking dates, proper launch dates, sisters etc etc, even if it limits some later war units/nations

things like destroyers no


Wow. That is really taking it down to a detailed level. Just realize that is not in the standard rules so most people will have no restriction on using the Arizona if they choose. And RB creates these units to fit the standard game. So the inability to use the Arizona on anything but December 7th is your 'house rule.' That is fine with me, but it really does not apply to most WaS players. For them Arizona will be a 'weak battlecruiser' class BB with hopefully appropriate point cost.
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So we already know 32(33)/40 of the units in the next set?  What could RB possibly tell us we don't already know about?  There are only seven units left!
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So we already know 32(33)/40 of the units in the next set?  What could RB possibly tell us we don't already know about?  There are only seven units left!


Yes. The "Nagato" is a strong 'probably' based loosely on a comment he made in a blog a long time ago about Set II, but not completely confirmed. And I think the Lutzow/Tallinn has a strong possibility of being wrong although he did say we are getting a Soviet cruiser. I am holding out for the Kirov CL.

He gave away at least half the set at GenCon and GenCon UK. I am not convinced it was the best thing to do in the long run, but I think he was trying it this way in response to some complaints from the people that are not accustomed to CMG's about being forced to wait until the last minute with Set II. Personally, I like the 'slower reveals' that he did with Set II. And he may not have been aware of the catalog fluff recently giving away four more units. He was surprised by the early website advertising giving away the Graf Zepplin in Set II.

He has also been having a bit more fun with us this time by handing out 'clues' in his blogs in some cases instead of telling us exactly what the ship is. His first blog he told us there were several museum ships and gave the ports where they were located. That is how we got the Intrepid, North Carolina and the Kidd. I think think that is a great way to have some fun with it. But he also enjoyed giving us a couple of 'misdirections' along the way for Set II. So there may be one or two surprises here that we 'think' we know, but have made the wrong assumption.

Of course, knowing the ships and planes is only half the story. It is the stats and SA's that really make the units what they are in the game.
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the Arizona is pointless, we play historical limits round here, so anywhere before 1941-2 the Yanks practically were not involved, and now we have a ship sunk in 1941....and our most common date limit is 1942-3........pointless


The year limit defines the earliest year they can played, not when it stops being available. So Arizona would be no different than any other US ship that existed on December 7. Do you limit all of the ships you play to the date they were sunk? That would take a lot of record-keeping. And there would be a lot of them from all nations with fairly short active-duty lives.

Battleships, aircraft carriers and cruisers yes, its easy to obtain information about sinking dates, proper launch dates, sisters etc etc, even if it limits some later war units/nations

things like destroyers no


Wow. That is really taking it down to a detailed level. Just realize that is not in the standard rules so most people will have no restriction on using the Arizona if they choose. And RB creates these units to fit the standard game. So the inability to use the Arizona on anything but December 7th is your 'house rule.' That is fine with me, but it really does not apply to most WaS players. For them Arizona will be a 'weak battlecruiser' class BB with hopefully appropriate point cost.

I think the Arizona will have to be the only exception really, along with unmade/unlaunched/etc ships that may be released further down the line, we still remember this game is a game in the end (well most of us do, I can think of 1 person who takes it far too far), the historical limits actually just add to the fun, and can stop allot of spamming of effective ships, we don't wanna stop people using ships they brought, but its still a little strange to include a ship that didn't go far in such an early set
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It will give IJN players a chance to fight pearl based battles with a ship that has authentic AA power for 1941... it also is a wonderful ship to include to give an american admiral a chance to play with a basic BB at low cost, Im looking forward to the R Class BB's and Repulse for my RN fleet for the same reason.
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It will give IJN players a chance to fight pearl based battles with a ship that has authentic AA power for 1941... it also is a wonderful ship to include to give an american admiral a chance to play with a basic BB at low cost, Im looking forward to the R Class BB's and Repulse for my RN fleet for the same reason.


And wouldn't it be extra nice if they had POSITIVE SA's? Rolling Eyes  doh
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Task Force 57 wrote:
It will give IJN players a chance to fight pearl based battles with a ship that has authentic AA power for 1941... it also is a wonderful ship to include to give an american admiral a chance to play with a basic BB at low cost, Im looking forward to the R Class BB's and Repulse for my RN fleet for the same reason.


And wouldn't it be extra nice if they had POSITIVE SA's? Rolling Eyes  doh


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