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Post subject: Need help with Atlantic "Black Pit" Scenario
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I am working on a small scenario for WAS based on the “Black Pit” area of the Atlantic where there was no allied Air cover until the CVE came along. U-boats reigned supreme. It plays like the convoy scenario except that it is 75 points with some marked changes:
Units only allowed:
Allies:
-Escort carriers
-All planes except the Hellcat: if they can be put on a carrier they have to be assigned to a carrier
-Destroyers
-Auxiliaries
Axis: (German and Italian)
-Submarines
-Medium to light cruisers
-Destroyers
-FW.200 Kondor
-Stuka?
Now the question I am having is this. Since the Axis can’t have fighters in this scenario, I was thinking of giving the U-boats an anti-air value. Because during this time, Doenitz refitted U-boats with 4 20 mm antiair and a 37 mm Cannon to fight air attacks. Would that be Anti-air 4, 5, or 6?
Also, since they were ordered to be aggressive in their anti-air attacks, should there be a rule reflecting it? Say if they use anti-air, they can’t use Torpedoes that turn? Or maybe 2 Anti-air attacks and don’t get to fire torps?
Please, any and all feedback appreciated!
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German subs prefer to emergency dive if they are atacked by aircrafts the AA guns rendered useless against superior Air force, often used as surface gun for sinking and stopping solo shipping merchants.(and shelling merchants save the precious torpedos for more value targets)
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| Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:01 pm |
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Actually I had read, with U-boat losses on the rise, Doentz had ordered U-boats to aggressively fire anti-air at Wildcats and Avengers engaging in ASW.
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| Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:28 am |
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I'm no expert, but my recollection is that there was a short-lived "fight back" strategy, and even a few converted "U-flak" boats. Typically only a couple of allied planes would be involved in shadowing a sub, and mostly patrol types, so I guess it made a certain sense. But I believe the strategy was deemed a failure and soon abandoned. I think a few planes were shot down, but meanwhile many U-boats were damaged trying to duke it out.
in WAS terms a U-boat's AA armament, even a U-Flak, is quite anemic. Probably a normal U-boat would have AA-3 and a U-Flak AA-4 or something like that... I would definitely not give them destroyer-grade AA-5+. And if the U-boat fails to abort its attacker, the plane should probably get some kind of bonus in its attack since the U-boat is sitting on the surface as a much easier target. Maybe the U-boat would get -1 to Armor and VA when the plane attacks... |
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| Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:17 am |
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| ericjohn wrote: | | I'm no expert, but my recollection is that there was a short-lived "fight back" strategy, and even a few converted "U-flak" boats. Typically only a couple of allied planes would be involved in shadowing a sub, and mostly patrol types, so I guess it made a certain sense. But I believe the strategy was deemed a failure and soon abandoned. I think a few planes were shot down, but meanwhile many U-boats were damaged trying to duke it out. |
Both are correct. Donitz did order the U-boat commanders to fight back air attacks, but that didnt mean they followed thru with it. Typical U-boat commanders were very independant thinkers and nearly autonomous.
Yes there were some refit conversions of U-flaks but most of those ended up stayin close to home at or near the sub-pens. Mainly to fight off the Mosquito attacks.
| ericjohn wrote: | | in WAS terms a U-boat's AA armament, even a U-Flak, is quite anemic. Probably a normal U-boat would have AA-3 and a U-Flak AA-4 or something like that... I would definitely not give them destroyer-grade AA-5+. And if the U-boat fails to abort its attacker, the plane should probably get some kind of bonus in its attack since the U-boat is sitting on the surface as a much easier target. Maybe the U-boat would get -1 to Armor and VA when the plane attacks... |
Again quite correct, and I agree with your thinking. In WAS terms it would be very anemic and I think you are being generous by giving them an AA of anything greater than 3.
I would at least alter the rule or make an exception about only one sub per sector tho. I would allow two per just like any other ship, and allow normal attacks against it by air or surface units, if that U-flak sub unit made any AA attacks for the turn.
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| Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:05 am |
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I think with the complications arising with U-flak boats, I am just going to take away the whole AA thing and leave them as is. I was hoping to give the AA value to the U-boats to make them a bit more competitive, but now I see that if I did, it would only make them more vulnerable, if I was going to do it historically accurate.
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