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Pour ce qui est des amiraux français, je trouve que c'est réaliste. Ils sont bien balancés au niveau de leurs habiletés spéciales et ce-faisant, ne bouleversent pas trop l'équilibre du jeux. De plus, leurs stats réflètent les engagements auxquels ils ont pris part pendant la Deuxième Guerre Mondiale ce qui n'est pas sans plaire au passionné d'histoire que je suis.
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Merci beaucoup pour tes mots Very Happy. C'etait un peu difficile de trouver amiraux français.
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Its Raeder not Räder....
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MAy I suggest the addition of John Augustine Collins to the fold - it would give us an Australian Commander

and Conrad Emil Lambert Helfrich for the Dutch...
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Sure, but please give exact abilities.
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Well, I guess here's my suggestion to the mix, as I too think the the Austrailians do need a commander as well:

Comodore John Augustine Collins:

Cruiser Fleet Expert:  Cruisers in this Admiral's fleet cost 2 points less and gain 1 extra dice when making surface attacks  if two cruisers are in the same sector together.

(This is based off of his actions while aboard the HMAS Sydney in 1940 and

Austrailian Flotilla Leader: If playing with an Austrailian fleet, select one cruiser. This cruiser gains flagship 1. If the selected ship is the HMAS Sydney or HMAS Austrailia, the selected cruiser gains Flagship 2.

(Based off of his time with the HMAS Sydney, flagship command of the HMAS Austrailia, as well as his command of RAN forces Pacific post 1943.  I was debating between the abilities of Flagship 2 and Cruiser leader to make it more flavorful and realistic.)

Information and military bio on V-Admiral Collins RAN:
http://www.navy.gov.au/w/images/PIAMA17.pdf
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Collins also should also have an ability to add UK or US units to his fleet and Dutch.
The East Indies Dutch fleet (what was left of it) pretty much operated out of Australia after the fall of Indonesia.
-May treat Dutch units as Australian
-Allied fleet commander    
May add US or UK ships to your fleet not exceding 60%

Therefore fleets could have
Canberra
Sydney
Arunta
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Van Galen ( N class like aussie boats)
Zwarrdvish ( Dutch subs operated out of western Australia)
and the Dutch flag crusier
+ US or UK up to 60%
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This last one would have to be worded in a different way. You can't have percentages on a WAS card. I'd look for something simpler.
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I can see the UK and even the Dutch fleets, although I was trying to avoid having a repeat of the text from the Karel Doorman card.  After all, after the dissolution of the ABDA resources, for the most part, the pacific arm of the USN consolidated rather quickly into it's own TFs, specifically after midway by mid 1942.  

Besides, don't the UK and Aus and Canadian Ships tend to operate as one uberfleet anyways?

Could this Admiralty SA actually work better, since I don't see any RAN ships with it yet:

Austrailian Cruiser Leader: Grants One Austrailian Cruiser Flagship 1 and the SA: CRUISER LEADER.
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All these are good options, but please submit a complete proposal for admiral. I mean: Name, Flavour text, Abilities clearly worded as they would appear on the card.
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We've got about 6 SA's for this guy now.

Cruiser Fleet Expansion - cruisers -2 cost
Cruiser Expert - cruisers +1 guns
                             -nachtjagder suggests combining these into one
Aussie Flotilla/Cruiser Leader - 1 Aus. cruiser gets 1 flag + cruiser/destroyer leader
Some cooperation SA like Doormans

Here's what I'd say to bring them down to two.  If making a card for an Australian officer means that he'll run an Australian fleet, then I'd say some sort of cooperation SA is needed, even if we go ahead and make a bunch more Australian cards.  If we include that SA, then there is little reason to have Aussie Flot./Cruiser Leader becuase the player will have access to them from elsewhere.  Then, why not go ahead and pick one or the other of cruiser expert or cruiser fleet expansion.  This would be my take.

Comodore John Augustine Collins:

Commonwealth Commander:  This players fleet may contain units from any commonwealth nation as long as it also contains 4 Australian units.  If all of this players Australian units are destroyed, take -2 from each subsequent initiative roll.

Cruiser Fleet Expansion: This players cruisers cost 2 points less.
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Notice that Doorman works only for Cruisers and Destroyers, because he never commanded anything bigger than that.
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An example of an historical Australian Fleet

Mine is simple

TF17.3 Battle of the Coral sea Admiral Crace RAN

HMAS Australia (HMS Kent not a complete match but close. I think Aussie needs an Survivor SA and Maybe Torps) 14
HMAS Hobart (HMAS Sydney, needs different SA) 14
USS Chicago (USS Baltimore) 18
DDs
USS Perkins,Walke and Farragut. No real match in WAS so i just use what i need. 9 points each either Hoel or Laffey

The force at Savo Island Admiral Crutchley RN
HMAS Canberra
HMAS Australia
HMAS Hobart
2 US crusiers
3 US DDs

Another Fleet although small
HMAS Adelaide
a Tromp class CL (i can't remeber the name)
used in convoys in the indian ocean.

These examples are of Australian admiraled battle groups
Americans tend to second ships to beef up Aussie battle groups
Dutch boats and subs worked in conjunction with Aussie fleets
Where as Aussie boats in operational area of the UK seem to be under UK Admirals.
So Aussie boats can be used with a UK fleet with a UK Admiral or
An Aussie Admiral with Dutch and US forces.
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Neural Dream, you did post in the past on Le Forum de A&ANM an italian admiral who was capable with torps on MTB and destroyers. This man fought the naval battles around the island of Crete. I cannot remember his name but it would be great to add him to the list.
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The name of the italian admiral is Francesco Mimbelli. Here is the stat card...


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swarbs wrote:

Comodore John Augustine Collins:

Commonwealth Commander:  This players fleet may contain units from any commonwealth nation as long as it also contains 4 Australian units.  If all of this players Australian units are destroyed, take -2 from each subsequent initiative roll.

Cruiser Fleet Expansion: This players cruisers cost 2 points less.


I think I like how Swarbs put it best for Collins. Cool
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Nachtjadger wrote:
swarbs wrote:

Comodore John Augustine Collins:

Commonwealth Commander:  This players fleet may contain units from any commonwealth nation as long as it also contains 4 Australian units.  If all of this players Australian units are destroyed, take -2 from each subsequent initiative roll.

Cruiser Fleet Expansion: This players cruisers cost 2 points less.


I think I like how Swarbs put it best for Collins. Cool


Thanks.  ND does bring up a good point though.  Do we allow all unit types from the other nations, or just cruiser and smaller?  He and Doorman are going to be difficult sells if they don't really have a way to bring a BB or CV to the table, but it would be more realistic.
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I'd suggest to go for realism more than balance in this case. It won't be nice seeing an Aussie commander using Missouris when not even the British ones can.
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Well, what would have happened if PoW and Repulse had made it out of harm's way, would they have reinforced the Dutch East Indies ? I think the case could be made that it was possible. If so, then certainly BB's should be allowed in an ABDA type build under an ABDA Admiral.


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