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NeuralDream wrote:
We will not revise anything. Revising official cards is generally unwise because it divides the community. We will do something much smarter: inidividual aircraft cards for each pilot's real plane. In this way, we will not step on WoTC's shoes and we will still be able to give aircraft the stats we believe they deserve.


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that would be optimum.
I also wondered why they did not issue like in WoW: say Baron's IAR80. That would be a mix of real plane stats and individual pilot SA's...
I always thought they will do it like that. In that way stats for the airplane are identical for the same model while SA's would be related to each pilot.
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on the AAM table the Flying tiger is a US unit?
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RAEVSKI wrote:
on the AAM table the Flying tiger is a US unit?


M2A0 said on the WotC boards that it should be errata'ed to be Chinese.
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RAEVSKI wrote:
on the AAM table the Flying tiger is a US unit?


It's card  & roundel is Nationalist China.
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Asbestos wrote:

Edit: Though, I guess it does get that +1 on Breaks.


Having seen all the roll moves (Barrel and Split S) the +1 to breaks on the Soviet I-16 isn't, to me, making up for the low Roll rating. Its my understanding that those little guys could barrel roll like no other.

From the Osprey book, Polikarpov I-15, I-16, and I-153 Aces...

"...although the position of the aircraft's centre of gravity resulted in poor in-flight stability but a high-level of manoeuverability. The latter meant that the first I-16 Type 5 could complete a barrel-roll in an unrivaled one to one-and-half seconds, although the rates of g associated with such manoeuvers were almost too much for even the strongest pilots"


The I-16 was capable of rolling so fast that it could exceed the ability of its pilots... surely it deserves better than a 4 rating in this area.
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Undoubtedly.
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I disagree that the I-16 average card has too low of a roll. According to asbestos' quote from the osprey book, perhaps an average pilot would black out under the g force of a barrell roll. A veteran I-16 card should have an improved roll factor. And if the I-16 is one of if not thw best for rolls (I have no idea), then the ace I-16 should reflect that.

Perhaps they are leaving room for the average stat to improve? I honestly do not know the I-16 from a hole in the wall, I'm just speculating on game mechanics here. Smile
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perhaps the lack of high speed affects to I-16 ratings.

If they had given:

Speed 2
High Speed 3

Then certainly they could have pumped the turn/roll stats by 1 or 2 each.

but having 2-3 as the normal speed may end up better for the I-16 then giving it a high speed.

just another perspective.
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Bump!!!!

Bandits High SAs have been added!
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Lt_V wrote:
Bump!!!!

Bandits High SAs have been added!


Did you mean Stuka for Dive Bomb 25?

I wonder how all the naval planes are identified for the ability CAP.
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Lt_V wrote:
Bump!!!!

Bandits High SAs have been added!


Did you mean Stuka for Dive Bomb 25?

I wonder how all the naval planes are identified for the ability CAP.


I haven't gotten my cards yet, but I would guess that you're supposed to use the back side with the flavor text. Each aircraft is put in a category like "fighter" or "long range fighter," so I think you just look at the ones that are classified as naval fighters.
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Polish_Cavalryman wrote:
Lt_V wrote:
Bump!!!!

Bandits High SAs have been added!


Did you mean Stuka for Dive Bomb 25?

I wonder how all the naval planes are identified for the ability CAP.


Fixed! Thanks PC Smile
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Asbestos wrote:
M2A0 mentioned on the WotC forums that some of the AAM stats are not correct.

Also, I think I might houserule out 'Boom and Zoom' for 'Bounce', since THAT ability more accurately reflects Boom and Zoom.


What exactly does WotC think that I-16s were armed with? Or is the Russian one not supposed to be a Type 24/28?


Actually, I haven't had time to check them to see if there is anything wrong or not. There were a few minor errata for the AAM stats from Angel 20, so there might be some for this set. I'll try to look it over soon.
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Rebel wrote:
Hold a mo... the AAM stats are weird!

There are three 9 point units, 2 have different stats, then a 10 point one has worse stats then a 9 one! Rolling Eyes I think they pulled a Wizards! Very Happy


Bandits High backed me into a corner on the point cost of a couple of units. What can I say, I'm a Wizard.


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Here are the combined Angels 20 & Bandits High AAM Stats errata:

A6M2 Zero Ace - Reduce Def to 3

I-16 "Abu" - Add Antiair

P-40C Flying Tiger - Change Nation to CH

Typhoon Interceptor - Reduce Cost to 16, remove Rockets 8

A6M3 Zero Rookie - Reduce Def to 3

Fulmar Mk II - Add Antiair


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thank you.  much appreciated.
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Asbestos wrote:
Asbestos wrote:

Edit: Though, I guess it does get that +1 on Breaks.


Having seen all the roll moves (Barrel and Split S) the +1 to breaks on the Soviet I-16 isn't, to me, making up for the low Roll rating. Its my understanding that those little guys could barrel roll like no other.

From the Osprey book, Polikarpov I-15, I-16, and I-153 Aces...

"...although the position of the aircraft's centre of gravity resulted in poor in-flight stability but a high-level of manoeuverability. The latter meant that the first I-16 Type 5 could complete a barrel-roll in an unrivaled one to one-and-half seconds, although the rates of g associated with such manoeuvers were almost too much for even the strongest pilots"


The I-16 was capable of rolling so fast that it could exceed the ability of its pilots... surely it deserves better than a 4 rating in this area.


In general, I don't think very highly of WoTC and their ability to design any kind of historical simulation ... but ... in the case  of the I-16 they probably got most of it right.  The empty weight of the Type 5 was around 2,471 lbs which grew to 3,054 lbs on the Type 24 ... an increase of over 20%.  

A Type 5 stats should probably be:
Turn: 5
Roll: 5
Climb:3
Dive: 4

However, the card specifies a Type 24 ... and like the Brewster Buffalo ... the extra weight affected performance, although I consider the Dive 2 to be too low.
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Even with the extra weight, the I16T24 could easily do 200 deg/sec. That's the highest in the game, hence roll 7.


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