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if you want to save playing time we have the idea to forbid every air unit, makes a lot of fun slugging it out with cruisers and tons of destroyers that chase the subs.
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all current updates and rules are now in the first post of this thread
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currently under playtesting but seems to be included soon:
upgrade: large sub pen cost 20 gives another hull point to the island
can build two hull points per turn on subs and allow to place an additional
sub in its square,needs a normal sub pen for upgrade and if
destroyed downgrade to a normal sub pen
2. upgrade: coastal torpedo launcher cost 15 gives the island a
torpedo attack value as following: 2/2/1 but no armor/hull increase
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| Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:29 am |
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here is a blank map for online games:
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| Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:38 pm |
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minor rules upgrade in the starting post
sub pen and torpedo launcher are included
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I have never played this, but I might be interested in an online game with this scenario...
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| Thu May 28, 2009 11:32 pm |
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rearrange the order of the rules as they are used during the game play following the official rules order.
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| Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:18 am |
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aircraft do have range, to keep it simple:
-Aircraft with loiter SA get 24 square range
-Patrol bomber get 22 square range
-Patrol torpedo bomber get 20 square range
-Fighters get 18 square range
-other airborne Bomb attacks get 14 square range
-other airborne Torpedo attacks get 12 square range
we need a fixing at the range of the patrol bombers
(especially Sparviero, B25, Kondor)
I suggest 14 square range for patrols bombers with torps and 16 square range for normal patrol bombers that have no torp value
Lend and lease stuff
UK shall use Wildcats as Martlets at the second half of 1941
need date/year for PBY Catalina in service of the RN/RAF
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| Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:13 pm |
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What was the actual operational range of these planes as compared to dive bombers etc?
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| Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:14 am |
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Sparviero had almost 1990 km range with two torpedo payload
B 25 had 2170 km
FW 200 Condor had 3550 km
HalifaxMK III 3000 km
Betty 5040 km
average=3150
PBY catalina 4050 km
HK8 Emily 4800 km
average=4425
Zeke A6M2 1143 km
Sea Hurricane 1207 km
F4F Wildcat 1240 km
Bf 109(E) 800 km
Hellcat 1740 km
Folgore 765 km
average=1150
D3A Val 1550 km
D4Y2 Judy 1465 km
SBD Dauntless 1760 km
Ju 87 820 km
average=1398
Kate 1990 km
Avenger 1625 km
Swordfish 874 km
Devastator 700 km
average=1297.25
Beaufighter 2350km
Barracuda 1851km
source Bechtermünz
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| Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:00 am |
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fixed wording on island attacks marked in green color
new range on patrol bombers and torpedo bombers , marked blue
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I'm pretty sure that the range of the A6M2-21 zeke was about three times this.
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| Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:51 am |
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perhaps I use the endurance in miles instead of those in Kilometer.
my test group prefer to made those endurance/range thing as general aspossible so we come out with 6 types of endurance just because you can devide all the aircrafts in 6 groups(fighter, patrol bomber, patrol torpedo bomber, carrier based bomber/torpedo bomber and flying boats as like the PBY or the HK8Emily) torpedo bomber and bomber get a split between carrier based and land based because being land based get some more range due to the fact they can come back to the fight only every other turn.
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I don't disagree about the gaming logic of using the same range for fighters. Not saying that you need to change anything. I just pointed out that its operational range was a well-known advantage of the zeke over practically every other fighter in the world. I don't have access to my books now, but from wikipedia, which should be quite accurate for such important articles:
Zeke: A6M2-21 (the one in WAS) 3,105 km
Wildcat: F4F3 (the one in WAS) 1,360 km, F4F4 1,240 km
That's basically why the zeke was such a legend. To give you an idea of how impressive this number is, the P-51 Mustang which was considered the best long-range escort late in the war, had max range 2,755 km.
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| Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:26 pm |
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fixed range on patrol bombers w/o loiter SA
units with mission selection gets the range of the mission they choose
some suggestions stacking limit pre 1943 raised up for one point to 7 total
for allowing putting an Battleship together with an cruiser or big fleet carrier.
seems to be o.k. for including after more test games
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OK, Just finished a game. My thoughts:
#1 - Game is A LOT of fun.
A few things I liked:
-Individual units really felt like they made a difference...even destroyers were a comodity to protect.
-The stratigic element is fun while you get the tactical feel as well. Planning what ships and units you will need 3 to 4 turns out is a huge deal while figuring out how your current cruiser should move to maximize life.
-I really liked how building units worked (though it can be difficult to figure out the first time).
Some thoughts:
-Repairing ships seems tedious but real. Sometimes the fact that repairing a DD takes as long as building one is frustrating.
-You should be able to scuttle ships (extra Auxilaries for example) when needed for extra resources.
-It would be cool to land troops and attempt to take a city with extra auxilaries (also would make the T1/Gunston Hall a lot of fun).
-Long range bombers rule in this game. Fighters have massive range and in this game the cheep fighter is king. In my game, 5 point hurricanes kept the UK from extinction.
-Games can be very long and some nations find thereselves at a unit disadvantage (for example, my Italians were fast running out of ships to build).
All in all - this game is mucho fun, and I recomend it to anyone that is looking for a fun way to combine tactical and stratigic WAS in one game.
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thanks for the feedback
have no idea to fix the repair process, speed up will be sometimes to imbalanced and give the smaller units a fatser repair than the bigger ones will cause some mess up in the rules.
thaught about quicker repair but raising the cost for bigger units, for e.g. repairing 3 point damage on a Yamato shall cost 35 coins and repairing an
Yukikaze cost only 6 coins. but there had to be more average cost values because some ships produce a very odd coin number on Hull/total cost ratio.
Troops would not be added because the seize the island step is big enough.
maybe those landing ships can be more effective on seizing an neutral island having successes on 5 and 6 on the dice rolls instead of 6 of the normal auxilliarys.
The run out of battleships for a single main nation does not happen very often.
simple math about that:
running an atlantic battle from january 1940 towards may 1945 will have an maximum output of 583 point on the main island if they start with the maximum upgrades.(and also include that the main island was never attacked during the game)
if you not build anything other than battleships on the main island you can lay down an average of 10 battleships during the whole game but you can struck the last two/three battleships because they are finished to late for having any impact on the map.
and an opponent who knows that you only build battleships will throw massive air and submarines against you and even a high number of destroyers can hurt you.
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TI landing ship and Gunston Hall
(the 1944 on both units let them see rarely the initial fleets)
but if somebody would start the game that late then:
The point cost of that units generate the number of dice for seizing an neutral island but are successful on rolling 6 and5
In case of being successful they add double of their original point cost
towards the seized Island.
The once per game landing SA can be used to increase the stock from one island under your control.
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