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AG124 · **AG124**

I seem to remember that in one of the older Set II threads on the Wizards forum, there was some discussion of a Soviet BB, and it seemed to have been confirmed by Richard himself (although I seem unable to find any such confirmation myself). I would personally rather not see any Soviet ships added in this set, but I would still be interested in finding out whether or not the rumors were actually true.

Also, I'll keep looking for the posts mentioning the Soviet BB, and post a link if I am successful.

Mad Ghost/0331 · **Mad Ghost/0331**

swarbs · **swarbs**

Soviet ships don't really make sense, I agree. But, I can see how the company could be attracted to them so that people could combine the land and sea miniatures in thier own scenarios or even to be a part of a huge Axis and Allies board game that is miniatures on the tactical level, they've already done that on the website but I assume the soviet starting ships (a sub and a transport I think) were left out of tactical combat. Also, someone posted on the other forum about the british sending the Russians an old (r class I think) battleship which would make it a possible repaint opportunity.
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AG124 · **AG124**

Yes, the UK transferred the Royal Sovereign to the USSR in late 1944; she was renamed Archangelsk (Archangel) and served with the Soviet navy until she was returned to the UK for scrapping in 1949. As a sidenote, Bernard Fitzsimons wrote in his excellent series of Weapons and Warfare Encyclopedias back in the 1970s that when the BB was returned, her mess decks were "covered in human excrement" and every single gun on board had still been kept loaded (he described this as a "bizarre insight into the Russian character," but then again, the Cold War was still on in the 70s...). Also, of course, the Soviets received a US Omaha class CL (Milwaukee/Murmansk), a number of UK 'Town class DDs (former US Clemson and Wickes class), a few Liberty ships from the US, and a number of older British subs (all S or V class). I guess there would be some potential for repaints there as well.

Anyway, I don't really think there will be any Soviet ships in Set II now that only half of it can consist of new molds - while explaining the reasons for the repaints, Richard mentioned that a tentative list for new ships had been drafted before management informed him that the new set could only consist of 30 new molds; perhaps this original list included a few Soviet ships, and a leak somewhere was the basis for the posts I remembered seeing (but can't seem to find now). At any rate, I would prefer to see the Soviets released later in the series myself, if they were to be included in WaS at all. There are far too few precious new ship slots in Set II to include the Soviet Navy, which is of somewhat limited usefulness ingame, IMHO (although future sets will include reprints too, I assume the proportion of them in relation to the overall number of units will be less than in Set II, where the team was caught off guard by the success of the series).

JarheadBinks · **JarheadBinks**

EssexSims · **EssexSims**

1) Call me a cynic, but the inclusion of the Russian's (at least in Set 2) would seem to me just a way to make money. The more nations you include in the game, the more sets they can release down the road since once you get the BB's, you need aircraft, cruisers, and destroyers to escort/support it. We're already going to see that with the Dutch, but at least they actually fought some major naval battles in WWII.

2) As far as the Japanese BB. Given the gap between Yamato, a great ship but a huge drain at 70 points and the Kongo, glorified BC's that have a real tough time standing up to the allied BB's, I would like to see Nagato as well.

I like the look of the Fuso's and Hyuga's, but I really think the Japanese could use the 16" guns and upgraded armor the Nagato offered. To me Fuso, Hyuga, et al would be roughly equal to Tennesee. Nagato could put up a reasonable fight vs. Rodney and Richelieu.

Jesse_James · **Jesse_James**

Okie · **Okie**

I'd like to see the Nagato in set 2 myself along with the KG5th, a friend made me a Graf Zephlin out of a Akagi, painted North Sea camo and also the planes, a naval stuka,109 and a bi-plane but can't thank of the designation right now. They are all really cool!!! He's modified a lot of the ships to make other's and has done a very fine job,planes also like a B-17 out of a Condor ect. Okie

ericjohn · **ericjohn**

ericjohn · **ericjohn**

EssexSims · **EssexSims**

I love the "early war slant". I've always liked the more anachrostic look of the pre-war ships like the American 4 stack Destroyers and CL's; the pre-long lance Japanese Destroyers with their big forecastles, and the WWI era Battleships like Fuso and the British R-class.

Jesse_James · **Jesse_James**

I don't mind the Russian. Actually I look forward to them. They are just as usless as some other ships we will be getting like the tirpitz. Wink

Yamato did not exactly do a whole lot either. Rolling Eyes

As for a Russian BB, did not hear anything but would not doubt it.
Not sure if they are in the new set or not. Confused

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Highball · **Highball**

I am a little confused about the report of the new sculpt Japanese Destroyer. I cannot find any listing of a Akizuki-class destroyer. I found .....

Asakaze (Asakaze class)
Amatsukaze (Isokaze class)
Akikaze (Minekaze class)
Ajisai (Wakatake class)
Ayanami, Asagiri, Amagiri & Akebono (Fubuki class)
Akatsuki (Akatsuki class)
Ariake (Hatsuharu class)
Asashio, Arashio, Asagumo & Arare (Asashio class)
Akigumo, Asashimo & Akishimo (Yugumo class)
Akitsuki (Akitsuki class)

..... but I have not found a Akizuki.

HELP!

(corrected spelling 1/14/08)

Highball · **Highball**

OK ..... after looking at other websites I found the class, but I wonder why this website (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ijn-ships-ww2.htm) does not list them at all. It is strange.

AG124 · **AG124**

Probably just an omission when the page was first compiled - you should send the webmasters an e-mail and ask why the class hasn't been listed there. Confused

Or you could just let it go, I guess.
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EssexSims · **EssexSims**

I think it's just different anglicized versions of the same Japanese word. They should fill a valuable niche in the game since they were specialized AA/ASW task force escorts. They should help the Japanese in air defense when matched up with a capital ship. They're not Atlanta's but they'll help.

Her name translates as "Autumn Moon"

Highball · **Highball**

Algren · **Algren**

Algren · **Algren**

Personally I hope Nagato is in the set. Fuso or another battleship would be nice, but Nagato is the best the IJN has to offer (aside from Yamato which we already have.) Also Germany really needs a fighter and Italy doesn't even have a plane.

ericjohn · **ericjohn**