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| are you saying to have all 4 SA,s or get rid of the quiet sub for the elusive quarry. |
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| Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:31 pm |
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I would be very interested in hearing an AAR on how the speed 2 slow 5 works out in playtesting.
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| Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:19 pm |
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How about secret cargo20: sneak off the board on the opponents deploy area to ferry high ranking Nazi's to South America.
Sorry, just saw a History Channel show about the ODESSA organization. And U-Boats were rumored to transport high ranking party officials to Argentina... |
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| Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:11 pm |
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| ARK wrote: | | I would be very interested in hearing an AAR on how the speed 2 slow 5 works out in playtesting. |
Agreed.
An interesting twist might to be to allow the really "fast" subs slow 4...
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:44 am |
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I have been doing some reading on these subs. I always wondered why they never went out on war patrols even though they started coming off the slips in late 1943. It turns out the construction was so bad it took until the end of the war to fix them and get them worked up to a seaworthy condition.
Negative SA time! 
Shoddy Construction: Each turn at the beginning of your Submarine Attack phase roll a die, on a 6 the hull implodes and this ship is destroyed.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:12 am |
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| weedsrock2 wrote: |
Negative SA time!
Shoddy Construction: Each turn at the beginning of your Submarine Attack phase roll a die, on a 6 the hull implodes and this ship is destroyed. |
LOL Too funny, although it is a fitting SA. Thats the bad part!
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:16 am |
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Oh gawd. I hope your not serious Weeds...
Time to talk about the Helldiver again if so. Its lack of SA or a later variant that wasnt hated by pilots and the litany of defects/problems were fixed.
Again, i see "Negative SA fever" gripping some of our forumers.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:34 am |
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| admiral_tee wrote: | Oh gawd. I hope your not serious Weeds...
Time to talk about the Helldiver again if so. Its lack of SA or a later variant that wasnt hated by pilots and the litany of defects/problems were fixed.
Again, i see "Negative SA fever" gripping some of our forumers.
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Not quite this bad, but see my post on the card forum. This sub never really made it into the war because all of it's 'uber' technology and the construction practices used to speed up delivery were just a little too far ahead of their time.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:37 am |
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| weedsrock2 wrote: | | admiral_tee wrote: | Oh gawd. I hope your not serious Weeds...
Time to talk about the Helldiver again if so. Its lack of SA or a later variant that wasnt hated by pilots and the litany of defects/problems were fixed.
Again, i see "Negative SA fever" gripping some of our forumers.
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Not quite this bad, but see my post on the card forum. This sub never really made it into the war because all of it's 'uber' technology and the construction practices used to speed up delivery were just a little too far ahead of their time. |
I do like the 'on a 1' it doesnt move/attack.
Much better than this horrifying suggestion  |
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:45 am |
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or better yet....
make the year 1944 and skip the negative SA all together.
*still hates all negative SA's* |
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:49 am |
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| Rengokuy wrote: | or better yet....
make the year 1944 and skip the negative SA all together.
*still hates all negative SA's* |
True, the two operational XXI boats were laid down in 1944.
Make them 1944 could be considered a way to leave out the negative SA.
After all, the Helldiver doesnt have a negative SA even though the date on the card is 43 and thats when it had the litany of faults. I know i know, cracked record and all that.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:58 am |
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Before 1944, the XXI saw no duties. Some XXI were used for during the evacuation of the people in east prussian. The re is also a report of a uboot commander making a 'schein'-attack against a british taskforce.
True is, that the XXI were used after the war from different nations until the 1960s.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:18 am |
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| admiral_tee wrote: | | Rengokuy wrote: | or better yet....
make the year 1944 and skip the negative SA all together.
*still hates all negative SA's* |
True, the two operational XXI boats were laid down in 1944.
Make them 1944 could be considered a way to leave out the negative SA.
After all, the Helldiver doesnt have a negative SA even though the date on the card is 43 and thats when it had the litany of faults. I know i know, cracked record and all that.
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I don't think date accomplishes much since it is not used by a lot of gamers. Anyway, none of them were operational until 1945.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:23 am |
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| weedsrock2 wrote: |
I don't think date accomplishes much since it is not used by a lot of gamers. Anyway, none of them were operational until 1945. |
From Wiki:
U-2511
Her keel was laid down 7 July 1944 by Blohm + Voss, of Hamburg. She was commissioned 29 September 1944 with Korvettenkapitän Adalbert Schnee in command. Schnee commanded her until May 1945 when he was ordered to surrender...
...U-2511 conducted one patrol. On the evening of 30 April 1945 (coincidentally the date of Hitler's death), U-2511 set out from Bergen, Norway for the Caribbean, but on 4 May Schnee received the end-of-the-war cease-fire order.
U-3008
Her keel was laid down 2 July 1944 by AG Weser of Bremen, and she was commissioned 19 October 1944 with Kapitänleutnant Fokko Schlömer in command. In March 1945 Schlömer was relieved by Kapitänleutnant Helmut Manseck who commanded the boat until Nazi Germany's surrender on 8 May.
U-3008 left Wilhelmshaven for patrol on 3 May 1945, but returned to port after the surrender. On 21 June 1945 she was taken by the Allies from Wilhelmshaven to Loch Ryan, thence transferred to the United States, reaching New London, Connecticut, on 22 August. Unterseeboot 3008 was then formally renamed the USS U-3008.
So they were launched at 1944. However they didnt achieve any sortie until 1945.
Make it a 1945 year.
Whilst 'date dosesnt accomplish much' - its certanily the basis for a lot of balancing arguments many have used in this forum. If tjhat holds weight like it has during those argumnets (year is a balance factor) then it can hold weight here too, i guess.
And really, German and US torps do NOT have a negative SA for their early war issues, and theres a heap of other negative SA's that havent been applied when theuy shouldve.
In the essence of flavour, the Type XXI should be made 1945 with NO SA, or the SA you suggested as worst case.
Anything else is 'Negative SA Fever'!
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:07 am |
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I am on the side that year is not a factor in costing. In fact, we rarely, if ever, use it in the cost analysis for the Forumini cards.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:36 pm |
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While not a factor of costing (hope so) the year should be 1945.
It seems around 170 were built (since 1943) - only 4! were ready for patrol.
I also think the Type XXI should be representes at its top performance without drawbacks (if you only let 4 out of 170 pass, the 4 should be "debugged").
This sub will cost a lot of points - to prevent the anti German faction from wining about the cheese
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:12 pm |
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if they give it the abilities suggested it's going to have to cost more than a Balzano or Jintsu that's for sure. A 20-point sub? I guess. It certainly was a much better design than subs costing 12-15 in this game.
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:18 pm |
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20 sounds a little much, but 18 ...
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| Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:46 pm |
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what about a "Rushed to Production" SA that's reusable. Would be like Jean Barts incomplete in that the figure in question would be unusable the first turn but dependent on a die roll.
As for Slow: 5, just one more thing to slow the game down, really? When even at their best speed they still only qualify for Speed 1? Lets not play around with that, already forget speed checks most of the time anyway.
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