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| off to wiki I go!!! |
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:31 am |
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K, back from wiki with a link for those of you like myself that are unfamiliar with this class of ship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_class_frigate
I am all for them, it seems to me they would be English/common wealth related with an outside chance of being USN. Would be a common. |
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Thanks Weedsrock2! As always you are so good at sniffing out the latest. Great to hear such a strong and steady stream of information about upcoming sets. Just Awesome 
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:08 am |
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Unfortunately for the River class, there really isn't room in WAS between Sackville's five points and SBRoberts/Pegaso's six points. I'm thinking this will be another sort of 'situational' sort of unit.
As for set V though, hooray.
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Reprinted for convienience:
OK, now for some quick War at Sea news... if you didn't see it before, Steve Winter (aka WotC Huscarl) posted an excellent piece on playing War at Sea sans grid. He ran his gridless game at a gathering of the Northwest Historical Miniature Gaming Society over at the Museum of Flight a couple of weeks ago, and reported great success with it. If you want to try a new spin on your War at Sea game, it's a lot of fun. We're working on reinforcing our art references and specifications for the set 5 models now, and we're finding that we've got some trouble tracking down top-down drawings on some of the more obscure ships (and a couple of not so obscure ones). If anybody out there knows of great resources for ship drawings, I'm all ears. Here's one in particular I'm looking for: the River-class frigates. We've got side-view drawings and zillions of photos, but no top-view drawings.
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:19 am |
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| watch out Flower Class Corvette, your number is up. |
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:44 am |
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There is a River class in Brisbane Maritime museum, maybe they have a top down drawing of her.
HMAS Diamantina. Weeds could you suggest he try there, to RB for me.if i have to go to the museum i will to help out. my log on to his site is dodgy, and hard to get on because of that.
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:32 am |
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Sweet! 
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:24 pm |
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I'm not sure what exactly a Flower Class would do...size wise, they're about halfways in size between Sackville and Haida (about the same length as Pagaso), but were armed with:
1 × 4 inch BL Mk.IX single gun
1 × 2 Pdr. Mk.VIII single "pom-pom" AA gun
2 × 20 mm Oerlikon single
1 × Hedgehog A/S mortar
4 × Mk.II depth charge throwers
2 depth charge rails with 70 depth charges
Sackville had:
1 BL 4-inch Mk.IX single gun
1 QF Mk.VIII 2-pounder on antiaircraft mount
2 .50 cal mg twin
2 Lewis .303 cal mg twin
1 Mk 3 hedgehog.
2 Mk.II depth charge throwers
2 depth charge rails with 40 depth charges
Samuel B Roberts had:
2 × 5 in (127 mm)/38 guns (2×1)
• 4 × 40 mm AA guns (2×2)
• 10 × 20 mm AA guns (10×1)
• 3 × 21 in. torpedo tubes (1×3)
• 8 × depth charge projectors
• 1 × depth charge projector (hedgehog)
• 2 × depth charge tracks
So, a Flower would have Sackville guns, Samuel B ASW and no torpedoes. 5 points tops ? It better have smoke at least, or why bother (apart from historical flavour, and to give the Canadians another ship...) |
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:03 pm |
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| RAEVSKI wrote: | There is a River class in Brisbane Maritime museum, maybe they have a top down drawing of her.
HMAS Diamantina. Weeds could you suggest he try there, to RB for me.if i have to go to the museum i will to help out. my log on to his site is dodgy, and hard to get on because of that. |
Will do. Are you close enough for a casual trip or is it a significant distance and effort to go?
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| Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:18 pm |
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| Duke_Striker wrote: |
So, a Flower would have Sackville guns, Samuel B ASW and no torpedoes. 5 points tops ? It better have smoke at least, or why bother (apart from historical flavour, and to give the Canadians another ship...) |
Unlike Sackville it may also be speed 2 with some slowness.
Either way, you're right. It has to be better than Sackville and not as good as Sam B. So we either get a five point ship (perhaps without convoy defender) that replaces Sackville, or we get a 6 point ship that doesn't stand up to Samuel B Roberts or Pegaso, and certainly won't compare favorably to the seven point Tribals.
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| swarbs wrote: | | Duke_Striker wrote: |
So, a Flower would have Sackville guns, Samuel B ASW and no torpedoes. 5 points tops ? It better have smoke at least, or why bother (apart from historical flavour, and to give the Canadians another ship...) |
Unlike Sackville it may also be speed 2 with some slowness.
Either way, you're right. It has to be better than Sackville and not as good as Sam B. So we either get a five point ship (perhaps without convoy defender) that replaces Sackville, or we get a 6 point ship that doesn't stand up to Samuel B Roberts or Pegaso, and certainly won't compare favorably to the seven point Tribals. |
A combination of an excellent ASW score and a useful SA would probably make a 6 point cost palatable.
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could also be a free french unit
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| RAEVSKI wrote: | There is a River class in Brisbane Maritime museum, maybe they have a top down drawing of her.
HMAS Diamantina. Weeds could you suggest he try there, to RB for me.if i have to go to the museum i will to help out. my log on to his site is dodgy, and hard to get on because of that. |
I'll ping my friend at ANMM in Sydney, ask her if she can refer us to somebody.
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| Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:24 am |
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| Seems like Rich Baker has done a pretty good (if not perfect) job of giving units with similar costs different roles they can play so there are reasons to bring one or another or a mix depending on the scenario or the enemy force you anticipate. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... |
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| Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:00 am |
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Great news in regard to set V!
The River class Frigates were basicly the successor to the Flower class Corvettes as an upgraded ASW escort. They were the same size as US Destroyer Escorts, but less heavily armed, 3" rather than the 5" guns on some DE's and no torpedo tubes. Their guns were mainly for fighting surfaced subs. The Flower class actually had less armament than some subs. The River class were faster then Corvettes, and most surfaced subs, but a little less than most DE's.
It will be interesting to see RB's spin on their capabilities, they realistically were good against subs, and slow patrol craft but little else. Hunt class light Destroyers would be more interesting, they had high speed, good 4" AA guns, were good ASW escorts, and were significant players in the Med. |
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| Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:30 am |
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| i think the point is, unlike the Flowers, the Rivers have the potential to show up in a battle fleet. |
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| Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:51 am |
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| weedsrock2 wrote: | | RAEVSKI wrote: | There is a River class in Brisbane Maritime museum, maybe they have a top down drawing of her.
HMAS Diamantina. Weeds could you suggest he try there, to RB for me.if i have to go to the museum i will to help out. my log on to his site is dodgy, and hard to get on because of that. |
Will do. Are you close enough for a casual trip or is it a significant distance and effort to go? |
i can get plans from them at $30AUS for the 44 config.
i rang them today.
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