Archive for Axis & Allies ForuMINI Specialised in the World War II Axis & Allies Miniatures and War At Sea Games          Axis & Allies ForuMINI Forum Index -> WAS Scenarios & Houserules Task Force 57 War Plan Orange Anyone? How about this for a fun little match... WWII in the pacific in 1930? I had the great pleasure of debating with the lads earlier on Tiger/Iron Duke refits and started thinking what ifs and other possible VERY COOL customised Mini's... How about the Lexington and Saratoga as Battlecruisers slugging it out with NoN converted japs like Kaga and Akagi? No wall to wall carriers... just shoho and langley, No pesky wildcats shooting up anything and everything? Any thoughts on a good 500pt line up on two maps? Has anyone got card options for unmodified bb's of the era? Anyway... it was just such a cool thought I had to share it...sorry....I will now return to my cave under the stairs... TTFN SJG Gamer I have an extra HMS Hood figure which I plan to convert into the Lexington class BC  USS United States.  I will use the idea that after Lexington & Saratoga  were converted to CVs, the other four were finished as BCs.  The USS U.S. was to be their sistership.  The length of the 'Hood, its gun layout, and twin funnels are very similar to the USA's Lexington class BC. Now comes the question of what to use for the lattice masts USA capital ships, & these BCs, had back then. I have ordered two 1/1250 figs of USS Michigan & USS south Carolina.  Their sillouttes are similiar to USS Maryland and USS Colorado.  when these figs are used in WAS's 1/1800 scale, they will (hopefully) pass for these.  I may swap the twin turrets of one of these for the triple turrets on the WAS Tennessee fig changing it into USS West Virginia (1944) and make the USS California (1941) out the Michigan figure.   I think that this will work well... jfkziegler Sounds like a cool idea and a lot of fun!  Let me know how it plays. cealigh the MadScot SJG Gamer wrote: I have an extra HMS Hood figure which I plan to convert into the Lexington class BC  USS United States.  I will use the idea that after Lexington & Saratoga  were converted to CVs, the other four were finished as BCs.  The USS U.S. was to be their sistership.  The length of the 'Hood, its gun layout, and twin funnels are very similar to the USA's Lexington class BC. Now comes the question of what to use for the lattice masts USA capital ships, & these BCs, had back then. I have ordered two 1/1250 figs of USS Michigan & USS south Carolina.  Their sillouttes are similiar to USS Maryland and USS Colorado.  when these figs are used in WAS's 1/1800 scale, they will (hopefully) pass for these.  I may swap the twin turrets of one of these for the triple turrets on the WAS Tennessee fig changing it into USS West Virginia (1944) and make the USS California (1941) out the Michigan figure.   I think that this will work well... Gamer, who makes the figs you ordered? SJG Gamer http://theminiaturespage.com/man/?id=regal  <==Here is the website I used (I think<LOL>) Texas Grognard Don't forget the Akron and Macon. They were essential to Plan Orange. For those of you who don't what I'm talking about, The USS Akron and USS Macon were airships designed as floating aircraft carriers. They each carried 5 Curtiss F9C Sparrowhawk biplanes as scouts. That would make for an interesting scenario   Tiornu Re: War Plan Orange Anyone? Quote: How about the Lexington and Saratoga as Battlecruisers slugging it out with NoN converted japs like Kaga and Akagi? One-sided mess. The Amagis were far superior to the Lexingtons. Task Force 57 darn tooting! The japs would kick 7 kinds of hell out of the USN battleline... whats the problem with that? No Iowa's or wildcats, no long lance torps, no yamato 18'' nightmares... a true even field. What wargamer could resist such a fight? Im about halfway done putting my cards together for this match up... give me a month more and will playtest it and... if it works... post a rules and card list. SJG Gamer The USA would have the early 1920s South Dakota class DNs.  These powerful ships were not to fast, but they had 12 x 16"/50 Guns.  The ships were as well armored as the Iowa Class of two decades later.  Also they had 16 x 6' guns, and 8 x 3'AA guns.  The 6"guns would probably have rapid fire in the same way as the USS Boise... Tiornu Quote: The ships were as well armored as the Iowa Class of two decades later. The old SoDak had essentially the same armor scheme as Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Tennessee. Quote: The 6"guns would probably have rapid fire in the same way as the USS Boise. The 6in gun was the same as in Omaha rather than Boise. Quote: no yamato 18'' nightmares Well, how about 18.9in guns? Task Force 57 Rofl Quite! kaga, amagi and co. pack a fair olde wallop... I was refering to the rather irritating Iowa only/yamato only builds in WAS, rather then having the temerity to suggest that monster navy rifles would not be a major part of a warplan orange scenario... we likes big guns my precious... we hates a game where no one plays the actual period ships oweing to the availibility of much chease (IOWA and YAMATO)... and all powerful air cover (US ONLY). Tiornu The Bagginses have a 48cm gun in their pocket, my precious.... I tend to think American battleship design had hit a plateau around the time of Tennessee/Colorado. It appears that there was confusion over the next step in armor layout, and the increase from eight 16in/45 guns in Colorado to twelve 16in/50 guns in SoDak was accompanied by no improvement in protection. And of course, Lexington is to armor what a bikini is to fabric. Except a bikini is meant to cover the important parts. Task Force 57 Tiornu... What I hated most about the Lex and Sara was the funnel/boiler arrangement ... made them look freakish. Also I am Amazed that Jutlands lessons (that the BC was a redundent concept with the arrival of the Queen Lizy Class/fast BB) could be set aside by the USN designers.... hell, even we brits learned the lesson (at cost of 3 whole bloody crews) and essentialy rebuilt Hood from the main belt up to give her greater protection. Hard to reason why... they make little sence, Even Furious/Cour./Glor had a reason (baltic plan) behind them... Why build a 35knt leviathan that could be crippled by cross eyed Japanese marine with a 50cal anti-tank rifle? edited by Swarbs - sorry to interfere, substituted Japanese for another term just to be safe wilt57 Re: War Plan Orange Anyone? Tiornu wrote: Quote: How about the Lexington and Saratoga as Battlecruisers slugging it out with NoN converted japs like Kaga and Akagi? One-sided mess. The Amagis were far superior to the Lexingtons. That being true, why does the Saratoga have better vital and hull than Akagi? wilt57 Tiornu I think lots of folks derived lots of different lessons from Jutland. One of the Lessons of the Queen Elizabeth class was that such ships were really expensive. The USN was sketching fast battleship designs at the time but was aware of costs. I suspect there was also an awareness that Congress had finally been badgered into funding scout ships and a switch to battleships (even if disguised by a different label) might be iffy. swarbs Yeah, once the navy punches anything through Congress they are loath to put the money up for grabs again just for a little thing like usefullness of the ship they are going to build. Andreas3 Re: War Plan Orange Anyone? wilt57 wrote: Tiornu wrote: Quote: How about the Lexington and Saratoga as Battlecruisers slugging it out with NoN converted japs like Kaga and Akagi? One-sided mess. The Amagis were far superior to the Lexingtons. That being true, why does the Saratoga have better vital and hull than Akagi? wilt57 stupid question: cause' Saratoga is US and Akagi is IJN, it's that simple! Task Force 57 actualy I think its more about the fact that as carriers the lex's  were quite hardy ships due to additional sub-divisions that were worked into them during the conversion... but I do get your point old chap   Run Silent Tiornu wrote: Lexington is to armor what a bikini is to fabric. Except a bikini is meant to cover the important parts. Thats too funny  Tiornu Tiornu I'll be here all week. The_lucky_Y the Tilman maximum battleship plans includes 18" guns, the latest plan was 15 x 18" guns in 5 triple turrets, 2 forwards three aft pointing and flush deck with clipper style bow. http://steelnavy.com/images/2003%20March/BWTillmanCnv0130%5B1%5D.jpg Captain Gideon As for Tilman Battleship I happen to have in 1/3000th Scale a miniature of that ship. In addition to that i also have the following ships H-44 South Dakota Lexington S.Soyuz(Russian Battleship Normadie(not sure about spelling) Gasgone 13-Class Amagi Owari Hood(if she had been modernized) Plus i have 2 of the British planned Capital ships based on the Nelson i think GN-5 or something to that effect. I also have the most of the games by Avalanche Press including Plan Orange Plan Gold Plan Black These have alot of very interesting scenario's in them. Captain Gideon        Axis & Allies ForuMINI Forum Index -> WAS Scenarios & Houserules Page 1 of 1