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P71

So, what types of ideas do we have for the Clubhouse?

Since it looks like the Clubhouse will change to allow a person to be a member of both a single-nation Club (RN, RM, KM, etc) and a multi-national (Club Med, RAAFFF, CFS, etc), what types of things do we want to change? What other ideas are out there?

(This is meant for constructive suggestions, ideas, and brain-storming please.)

I think the first thing we should do is figure out what to call the multi-nationals. I think it will be too confusing to call them "Clubs". Maybe "Leagues"? (As in League Frozen Seas, etc) Theatre Clubs? Any ideas?

And since the single-nation Club League (once per year) will be the marquee event, and we need something to do the other 8 months, what are we (the multi's) going to do? Obviously we can do a multi-League, but I think we have the opportunity to do better than that. Maybe have each multi host a month-long theatre challenge? (Like CFS could do a Sink the Bismarck scenario where they all play the KM and have the other multi's each take a crack at it?) Ideas? Thoughts?

And finally, a personal thought on regular Club Play. I really like zangetsu's idea of letting people play whatever they want. I think it would be good to allow all Club members to play whatever they want throughout the year (as a "Club Match"), and then play their own Club's fleet (as a "Club Challenge") which would be the games that count for the ranking schemes in each Club? The non-Challenge matches could have their own set of awards (up to each Club President, but something like a ribbon every 5 matches could be nice). This will help people with burn-out, and differentiate between a Challenge and a regular Club Match. Then the League would be a Tournament maybe? Just throwing out ideas here.

What are everybody else's thoughts and suggestions?

Thanks!
sublime828

This is just my 2-cents but I don't really think the multi-clubs should be anything but a club.  They are just as much a club as the single nations.  That being said, the most important part of the clubhouse is the clubs themselves.........not the competitions.  the clubhouse was made for enthusiasts to join a club of a nation that they liked, plain and simple.  It's important to keep that in mind when we are looking at the direction of the clubhouse.  It has and always will be a place where players who like a particular nation join and support the club of their choice.

The competitions are the main area of dispute in the clubhouse due to the rise of multi-national clubs bending the fairness of the event.  Splitting the competitions into two separate ones (one for single nation, one for multi-nation) will level the playing field and allow much of the controversy to be resolved.  Dan's idea 2 separate  competitions is by far the easiest and best way to accomplish this and here are my suggestions with how to run that:

   1.  Make sure that members know that you aren't dividing the clubhouse up or anything.  All clubs both single nation and multi-nation are still part of the same clubhouse. (at least thats what im thinking)  This keeps the feel of the clubhouse true to its original perpose: Players who want to be a part of a club that plays the nation (nations) they like the most.

2.  Members should be able to be members in 1 single nation and 1 multi-nation club if they wish.  You brought this up already but I think its important to let players know that they can be dual members if they wish to be.  That being said, players are by no means expected to join multiple clubs, it is simply an option....if a player wants to be in club RN and nothing else and thats fine.  Also, make it clear that players can not join 2 single nation clubs or 2 multi-national clubs.  If they choose to be duel members it needs to be 1 single and 1 multi.

3.  I think running the competitions with a single nation format and a multi-nation format is totally the way to go but I also have a few suggestions for this as well.

- For the single nation "League Challenge", make the competion last 100 days.  I know it's pretty much 3 months but something about 100 days of competition just seems cool to me (it makes me think of gladiator and the 100 days of games the emperor put on to honor the falling of cesar.....but anyway).  Only single nation clubs can participate and everything else will pretty mush be the same as it has been for the last two seasons.

-For the multi-nation "League Challenge", I really like the idea of calling it the "Theater League Championship".  That seems pretty cool.  I don't think we should call it an Off-Season competition though.  Neither competition should be given the "main event" designation.  Both multi-nation and single nation clubs are equally important to the clubhouse and we really shouldn't give either the impression that they are more important than the other.

As far as running the Theater League Championship, we should do the same time frame of 100 days and only multi-nation clubs are allowed to compete in the TLC (HAH!  TLC thats kind of funny).  Other than that the TLC will operate the same way that the league has until now.

So, like I said before, addressing the competitions is the real issue here. By doing multiple competetions, it will give both the single nation clubs and multi-nation clubs an equal (and fair) way to compete in competition while preserving the purpose of the clubhouse and giving both the single and multi clubs a fair shake.  Im really pumped about this.  This is the solution that we really needed to happen and I think it will bring the clubhouse back into equilibrium.  I'm I really looking forward to this


As far as playing matches that aren't for your clubs counting for something, I really dont feel that's necessary.  Between the 2 competitions and regular club play (especially if you are in 2 separate clubs) you are going to be able to play matches for a variety of nations.  If you want to play a match with a nation that isn't represented by one of your clubs, just go play a match......theres always someone willing to play matchs, club match or not.  Thats all I've got at the moment.
P71

sublime,

Wow, you really have a good way with ideas! I'm with you 100%. I agree that the us multi-nationals should stay "Clubs" and on equal-footing with the singles, and I love the idea of dual-membership. The double 100-day competitions also sound really, really cool.

Who'd a thunk we'd have solved it all in 1 reply? Brilliant!
sublime828

like I said......just my Rolls: (1d2)   Rolls: (1d2)    Very Happy
P71

Throw my 2 cents in there, pick a penny up off the street, and we have a nickel's worth of idea. I think it's the best way to make the Clubhouse inviting and fun for all again.

And honestly, I'd be tempted to join a single-nation club that doesn't play in my theatre for maximum variety. Like maybe RM (seeing as how I have an irrational love for the Italians and the Club is pretty slow). You thinking of doing the same? Maybe Club IJN for you?
sublime828

Don't really know???  We'll have to see what happens.  I like playing everything really..........but really like my KM and RN fleets the most.  Ill cross that bridge when its built Very Happy
P71

Well hopefully some discussion starts happening. I know we're all distracted by the dump of Opening Salvo units and the imminent release of Set VI, but we still don't have our "official OK" (even though nobody else needed it) and the whole Clubhouse is in lingo waiting for Dan to return (even though he resigned). I hope to see the old kangaroo back, but we need to start getting on the ball here!
danaussie

Me too I like the Sublime format the most I think from this day forward the Clubhouse will have two competitions and the Clubs will be known as the following:

National Clubs

Club Dutch
Club Free French
Club Imperial Japanese Navy
Club Kriegsmarine
Club Regia Marina
Club Royal Navy
Club United States Navy

Theatre Clubs

Club Frozen Seas
Club Med
Club RAAFFF
Club South Pacific
Club Atlantic??? (this is a club proposed by Bull Halsey, this would be the last Multinational slot available for consideration).

Once we have squared away the the two Club League formats I would like to work more closely with both you Sublime and of course you P71 to properly configure the two League Competitions that of the National League Challenge Competition and that of the Theatre League Competition.

I very much like the 100 days format as well. Now we are getting somewhere. Now I also want it understood that not everyone will be 100% happy at all times so try to be objective and wholistic in your approach at all times. If we do this we will get to our destination faster and tidier, and that destination is to have a clear and understood format to the Club Leagues for our Club House, without losing sight of the original objective that was to have "Enthusiast Clubs" for the members of Forumini to join if the so wish.

Club Competitions (in whatever format) will always be secondary to the purpose of the provision of Enthusiast Clubs to Forumini.

Cheers for now guys Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
sublime828

sounds like we have an accord!!  Uncork the casks and let the rum flow! beerchug
P71

Alright! Welcome back Danno! (PS - Go look in the GD area, a LOT has happened with new units since you went on vacation, LOL) With your 2 cents we now have 7 cents worth of accord!

The only things I see are a few Club spots. 1) We really should have a Club Red, or at least hold a spot for it. Obviously if other "big" nations get involved (like Taiwan) we could certainly allow those as well. I imagine they will be small but strong affairs like torpy's lovable and tenacious Club Dutch.

2) I think we should leave a spot in the Theatre Clubs for a Club Ceylon. That club could cover areas that are not currently (Indian Ocean Raids, Black Sea, Eastern Med/Suez Canal/Alexandria) and also give the Red Fleet and the Greeks some play. RAAFF has the Eastern/Central Pacific, we have SoPac (and NoPac would be boring), CFS has the North Atlantic/Baltic/English Channel, and Club Med has the Western Med/Eastern Atlantic/Gibralter. That would cover every sea and ocean with fighting.

So, other than that, I think what we have here is great! Double 100-day matches, equal clubbing, dual-members, and a good Clubhouse! We can start scheming up other fun things for the Clubs to do that aren't just the League's.
Bull Halsey

Club Atlantic would do. It would have KM, UK, and US there. not many US BBs though. and i think id be the only one Lol
danaussie

P71 wrote:
Alright! Welcome back Danno! (PS - Go look in the GD area, a LOT has happened with new units since you went on vacation, LOL) With your 2 cents we now have 7 cents worth of accord!

The only things I see are a few Club spots. 1) We really should have a Club Red, or at least hold a spot for it. Obviously if other "big" nations get involved (like Taiwan) we could certainly allow those as well. I imagine they will be small but strong affairs like torpy's lovable and tenacious Club Dutch.

2) I think we should leave a spot in the Theatre Clubs for a Club Ceylon. That club could cover areas that are not currently (Indian Ocean Raids, Black Sea, Eastern Med/Suez Canal/Alexandria) and also give the Red Fleet and the Greeks some play. RAAFF has the Eastern/Central Pacific, we have SoPac (and NoPac would be boring), CFS has the North Atlantic/Baltic/English Channel, and Club Med has the Western Med/Eastern Atlantic/Gibralter. That would cover every sea and ocean with fighting.

So, other than that, I think what we have here is great! Double 100-day matches, equal clubbing, dual-members, and a good Clubhouse! We can start scheming up other fun things for the Clubs to do that aren't just the League's.


I just checked out the opening salvo's....wow...Montana is a MONSTER!!! and the Eagle is a really nice piece too. Thanks man they are terrific...cant wait for this set. Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

While I agree there should be an option for further clubs in the future as the need arises or as units become available to allow for such clubs, I would (if its ok by everyone) put a temporary clamp down on the formation of any new clubs, with the exception of a (possible) Club Atlantic I feel that this is the only "Major" Theatre Club that is absent from the competition.

As for a Club Red this club was already proposed and launched mate, but failed to reach the membership required for addition to the League or to be formally recognized. I think that in at least some way, that is why Frozen Seas was such a popular Club at the time when they formed, they introduced the option to play Soviet fleets, while allowing for Finnish, Swedish and Polish units to other mainstream builds.

Of course I would like to relay to you P71 that I am largely on the same page as you are, with the option to form new clubs in the years to come, but only if the units are available for those clubs to have a "Stand Alone" navy to do so. With all due respect to one of our prominent Club Presidents Club Dutch is really not a stand alone navy and alot of provision needed to be made for that Club to form. I would avoid this in future by adding a provision in the protocol for a minimum unit requirement for navies to be recognised as "Stand Alone" navies within the Club League as opposed to mainstream navies with additional units from minor nations allowable, such as Taiwan or Finland for example.

Good points though mate. Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
danaussie

Bull Halsey wrote:
Club Atlantic would do. It would have KM, UK, and US there. not many US BBs though. and i think id be the only one Lol


You may go ahead and follow the Protocol for the formation of a new club Bull if you wish to do so. You need 5 members that will be the tough part. Start a new thread for your proposal mate, I would very much like to see this Club in the Theatre League.

Good luck man.

Dan Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
Brigman

Hm, I would have joined Club Red at the time if it had been around.  No regrets on Club Frozen Seas though.

Here is a question / concern (I like everything bandied about so far)...

Will Multi-Clubs be able to play Single-Clubs in "Club Games" (NOT League matches)?  Or are we forever relegated to playing other Multi-Clubs?

I am NOT talking about competitive League play here, just friendly club matches...
sublime828

clubs will always be able to play each other in "club matches".  The only time a club will be limited to playing against only single nation or multi-nation should be in the league challenge for the respected clubs.
Anrack Fett

I still bring the issue that really only want to be in one club and want to play in that club all year.  A few others wanted to be able to do this as well, if I recall.  That's just what I would like to know.
sublime828

sublime828 wrote:
This is just my 2-cents but I don't really think the multi-clubs should be anything but a club.  They are just as much a club as the single nations.  That being said, the most important part of the clubhouse is the clubs themselves.........not the competitions.  the clubhouse was made for enthusiasts to join a club of a nation that they liked, plain and simple.  It's important to keep that in mind when we are looking at the direction of the clubhouse.  It has and always will be a place where players who like a particular nation join and support the club of their choice.

The competitions are the main area of dispute in the clubhouse due to the rise of multi-national clubs bending the fairness of the event.  Splitting the competitions into two separate ones (one for single nation, one for multi-nation) will level the playing field and allow much of the controversy to be resolved.  Dan's idea 2 separate  competitions is by far the easiest and best way to accomplish this and here are my suggestions with how to run that:

   1.  Make sure that members know that you aren't dividing the clubhouse up or anything.  All clubs both single nation and multi-nation are still part of the same clubhouse. (at least thats what im thinking)  This keeps the feel of the clubhouse true to its original perpose: Players who want to be a part of a club that plays the nation (nations) they like the most.

2.  Members should be able to be members in 1 single nation and 1 multi-nation club if they wish.  You brought this up already but I think its important to let players know that they can be dual members if they wish to be.  That being said, players are by no means expected to join multiple clubs, it is simply an option....if a player wants to be in club RN and nothing else and thats fine.  Also, make it clear that players can not join 2 single nation clubs or 2 multi-national clubs.  If they choose to be duel members it needs to be 1 single and 1 multi.

3.  I think running the competitions with a single nation format and a multi-nation format is totally the way to go but I also have a few suggestions for this as well.

- For the single nation "League Challenge", make the competion last 100 days.  I know it's pretty much 3 months but something about 100 days of competition just seems cool to me (it makes me think of gladiator and the 100 days of games the emperor put on to honor the falling of cesar.....but anyway).  Only single nation clubs can participate and everything else will pretty mush be the same as it has been for the last two seasons.

-For the multi-nation "League Challenge", I really like the idea of calling it the "Theater League Championship".  That seems pretty cool.  I don't think we should call it an Off-Season competition though.  Neither competition should be given the "main event" designation.  Both multi-nation and single nation clubs are equally important to the clubhouse and we really shouldn't give either the impression that they are more important than the other.

As far as running the Theater League Championship, we should do the same time frame of 100 days and only multi-nation clubs are allowed to compete in the TLC (HAH!  TLC thats kind of funny).  Other than that the TLC will operate the same way that the league has until now.

So, like I said before, addressing the competitions is the real issue here. By doing multiple competetions, it will give both the single nation clubs and multi-nation clubs an equal (and fair) way to compete in competition while preserving the purpose of the clubhouse and giving both the single and multi clubs a fair shake.  Im really pumped about this.  This is the solution that we really needed to happen and I think it will bring the clubhouse back into equilibrium.  I'm I really looking forward to this


As far as playing matches that aren't for your clubs counting for something, I really dont feel that's necessary.  Between the 2 competitions and regular club play (especially if you are in 2 separate clubs) you are going to be able to play matches for a variety of nations.  If you want to play a match with a nation that isn't represented by one of your clubs, just go play a match......theres always someone willing to play matchs, club match or not.  Thats all I've got at the moment.


hey anrack, read #2 above.  No matter what club you are in, you can play club matches all year long against any other club.  You don't have to be in more than one club.  If you are in a single nation club, you can still play a club match while the multi-nation challenge is going on, it will just be a club match.  There are differences in "club matches" and "league matches"
danaussie

Anrack Fett wrote:
I still bring the issue that really only want to be in one club and want to play in that club all year.  A few others wanted to be able to do this as well, if I recall.  That's just what I would like to know.


As Sublime says there is no obligation whatsoever to join a Theatre Club if you dont want to and you can play a Club Challenge Match at anytime between any club you wish, be that National Clubs or Theatre Clubs, you will still acrue ranks and awards if you win games for Club Royal Navy as is stipulated in the Club HQ. When playing in the National Club League however for those 100 games you would be required to only play other National Clubs, however the decision is yours of course, at all times, as to if you want to take part in this National League competition.

What we are providing here are options for our members as to which competitions they will take part in, we want structure and protocol, but that with the liberty to choose what competitions or indeed the option not to take part in formal club competitions and still acrue awards and ranks for our members in unofficial Club Challenges. Put simply if you want to play just Club Challenges outside the constraints of the 2 Official League Competitions (Tournaments) you may do so and still be an active member of Club Royal Navy. The way you play is completely up to you....as it should be.

Cheers all Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
firesdstny

Smile  I like it!
danaussie

I like your Sig Fires, coooaalll!!!

Dan Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
torpman

Wait I still get to keep club Dutch right? Also could I make club ABDA if we are doing multi nation clubs?
danaussie

torpman wrote:
Wait I still get to keep club Dutch right? Also could I make club ABDA if we are doing multi nation clubs?


Of course Torpy, I was mearly suggesting that we put a provision in place for a minimum unit requirement for the formation of new clubs. Club Dutch stays.

Even though there has been conjecture over the fact that RAAFFF uses ABDA builds, this is however a fact and because of this I would see no need for an ABDA Club to form. Not to mention they are covered twice now with Club SoPac. I think most guys here would agree with that call.

Cheers Torpy, dont worry brother Club Dutch is here to stay.

Dan Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
Crazy Cat

Sounds okay to me if that is the consensus.
danaussie

Crazy Cat wrote:
Sounds okay to me if that is the consensus.


Thats great CC, I want to keep this discussion open for a little while longer to make sure we get everyones views, but all in all I think that the two Club League Competitions will work really well, we are also yet to hear from SrgPoofy for his views. The idea of a two tier league was after all originaly proposed by him.

Further to these discussions I wanted to see what everyone thought of having elections for Club House presidency, I'm not even sure how I feel about this its not that I'm some sort of control freak, its just that I would not want someone to come in and take over without having a full understanding of what we are all about here. There needs to always be the understanding that the Club House is about the Clubs as our primary aim, there should be more discussions on things about your nations navy that you like so much.

This largely has not occured here much to the dismay of myself and ND, there was originaly some opposition to us talking about certain things here that would take away from the discussions at General Discussion, so these discussions stopped, our focus then shifted to discussions only about competition, that was the seed that started us moving away from what we were really about.

I would like it understood that I am not pointing the finger at anyone I am just pointing out the problem as I saw it, and this started in the first week of the Club House formation. Frankly I did not see the problem with talking about anything in relation to navies or units whatsoever. If guys were that interested in subject matter here, they could be given a link to the said discussion at anytime by whoever was browsing this sub-forum. This sub-forum is open to all viewers as far as I am aware.

Be that as it may I would certainly like to re-open discussions here on why you think your nation rocks so much and also about units etc etc in relation to you National Club. Tactical discussion, whatever, the guys at General Discussion always have something to talk about, I seriously dont think that we here at the Club House should be seen as any kind of threat to discussions at Forumini. We are afterall part of Forumini not a seperate entity.

Sorry to always give you guys so much to mull over just some random thoughts I had while I was away.

Cheers for now Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
Flakstruk

Had a read through, interesting points all.

I did have a thought of my own. If there is going to be a nation only and a multi nation division I suggest that.

We have a annual nation pure competition

and

a perennial multination scoreboard.
sublime828

there won't be separate divisions, just to different competitions.  No sense dividing up the clubs!


Dan, personally I would prefer that you continue as president of the clubhouse.  Just my opinion but I think we will have a difficult time filling your shoes.  Plus you sort of left on heated terms.....and look!  We got the issue resolved.........in a civil matter!  The clubhouse is still a great place and still needs your leadership.  Think about staying on as prezzzz.  Later
Solomiranthius

A few things.

First - Dan, as far as I am concerned, the Clubhouse is your creation and you should retain its presidency for as long as you see fit.

Second - I think Sublime's idea is well laid out and a perfect solution to the issues everyone has been dealing with. Very little will actually change in the competition realm.

Third - Would there be any point for those players seeking to join both a single-nation and a multi-nation club to declare one being their "primary" club? Essentially saying that except for the s-n or m-n league competitions, their primary allegiance for general club play is with one club. Maybe this is too constricting, but I could see it as a way of not only eliminating the bias towards multi-nation clubs that some see showing through in league play, but also maintaining the integrity and spirit behind all clubs. It could avoid some clubs existing just for s-n or m-n league play, but void of participation during the rest of the year.
Anrack Fett

Okay, after rereading this proposed plan, I must say that it is a good one and I will support it whole heartidly.  I can see the Clubhouse following that path.
herky80

I am glad to see things moving along smoothly here. My two concerns are that with so many clubs, active participation is diluted. I'm not sure if there are any active Club USN members, or even if someone can take over the president position if/when I step down. I'll stay on as el presidente, but feel bad that I most likely will not be in any active competition. Which is my second concern, the competitions. The most active clubs will win, and choose their opponents, etc. if the format stays similar- open for three months kind of thing. But everyone seems to be working well together, so I have some hope for the club competitions. Smile
danaussie

herky80 wrote:
I am glad to see things moving along smoothly here. My two concerns are that with so many clubs, active participation is diluted. I'm not sure if there are any active Club USN members, or even if someone can take over the president position if/when I step down. I'll stay on as el presidente, but feel bad that I most likely will not be in any active competition. Which is my second concern, the competitions. The most active clubs will win, and choose their opponents, etc. if the format stays similar- open for three months kind of thing. But everyone seems to be working well together, so I have some hope for the club competitions. Smile


Great to see you chime in Herks, can I just say that from where I sit being a Club President is participation enough, you are the one that needs to keep up with wins and loses awards and ranks etc, keeping the vibe and enthusiasum amongst members alive. Other guys just get to sit back and play, being President is participation enough mate.

Membership dilution is something that you have made mention of before, and I largely agree with you, the two tier competition seems to be the way all members want to move in, however, so we will have to wait and see if that works or not.

There needs to be some drastic changes before we engage on the open sea gentlemen and some of these directives that I will be asking for, in some threads to be created shortly will be straight from the top. If we want to have these competitions and indeed the Club House we will need to make some serious changes and we will all need to make them willingly. So we all have some work to do.

As for being Club House President, I'm still here and I appreciate your votes of confidence guys so thank you for that. I want all of you to understand that I am not in this for myself I am in this for you and for forumini. I am trying to run this ship, but I want to make it so that it is easier to run for all the Club House Moderators so that it does not take so much out of my life. Because just recently it has become too hard, and it should not be that way.

My suggestion for a vote was purely to be more democratic not because I wanted to stand down, when the Club House was initiated by myself and SrgPoofy someone had to run the ship and get things rolling, SrgPoofy agreed to be Club House Commissioner while I was to oversee everything else. The word "President" was never mentioned until a few weeks ago while the need for authority here became apparent. Frankly I prefered this place to be a little more relaxed affair like it used to be, but hey since we have found the need to be more formal.

So I will get the things we need to get done underway and hopefuly smoothly and easily so in point form if you would all like to voice what changes you would like to see here at the Club House take place then enter them here for consideration and discussion. Be that a new score board configuration or the need to vote for Club House Presidency or Commissioner, or a suggestions box, whatever, I will to the best of my ability address them all and get to work on the things ND has asked me to do.

Cheers guys and thanks Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
P71

So I take it this means you are no longer resigning Dan? (Or at least until after the re-launch?) What all drastic changes and stuff need to happen? I thought we were all at pretty much a consensus here, but apparently not from your last post. Just trying to figure out how we went from all in agreement to suddenly needing directives to keep the Clubhouse in a few hours...
sublime828

first order of business........there is no need for there to be a vote for club house president, or whatever title we are giving it.  Dan and SrgPoofy created the clubhouse and there is no need for a changing of the guard.  We are pro-actively addressing our clubhouse issues and I feel that we are moving in a positive direction.  Dan cares a great deal for this clubhouse and the forumini in general and I feel it would be in our best interests to keep him at the helm.  I do feel however that our WAS clubhouse mods should be more involved with the everyday clubhouse duties that need to be addressed (player issues, recruitment, unbiased moderating of games etc).  

Another issue that needs to be addressed is a new stickied thread that includes all information related to the WAS clubhouse: guidelines for play, how to join, guidelines for conduct, appropriate steps for the formation of a new club, an initiation/vote of clubhouse mods/club presidents on new clubs, rules, policy changes,  and also a Clubhouse Charter so that current and prospective players/enthusiasts are aware of the purpose of the WAS clubhouse.  In order to make the clubhouse more "user friendly" these things need to happen and it will make it easier for everyone.  This will also limit issues where no one is sure how a specific issue should be addressed.  We can call the thread: WAS Clubhouse Rules and Guidlines.  It will be nice to have that available to our members. 

All clubs need to conform to the posted requirements that have been established (Club Dutch is all good and here to stay without question     Very Happy )  and the clubs HQ's all need to be stickied as well.

After the above mentioned items have been put into place, we can address the competitions which are sort of the last thing on the to do list.  I have already outlined the 2 main competition formats for the clubs and we can start with that since everyone seems to like the idea.  all other clubhouse related tournaments and competitions should be on the back burner until we get the above stuff squared away.  

I'm looking forward to a more stream-lined and friendly clubhouse and as always, Im ready to pitch in and do my share.  I am very happy to see us all moving in the right direction and look forward to seeing these changes in place.  

sublime
P71

Agreed 100% with what Sublime just said. A Clubhouse Welcome, Rules, & Policy sticky needs to be #1 priority. Getting all current Clubs up to standards is #2 (looking at you non-existent RAAFFF HQ page! Wink ).

I'm also A-OK with Dan & Poofy being at the helm through this, but at the conclusion of all of the work I think we should elect a Clubhouse Prime Minister. As Dan said, being Club President is a pretty full plate (and he has the DGBA on top of that!) and we really don't need to stress those two out so much. This person wouldn't replace them, but just take over the day-to-day operations such as helping the new players decide and answering questions, moderating, etc. This should make it easier on all parties and provide a daily presence in this area, which has been understandably lacking. (And once again, I don't think it should be a Club President of any sort. Think of people who already help out like Brigman, firesdstny, and Vergilius for this position).
Bull Halsey

danaussie wrote:
Bull Halsey wrote:
Club Atlantic would do. It would have KM, UK, and US there. not many US BBs though. and i think id be the only one Lol

You may go ahead and follow the Protocol for the formation of a new club Bull if you wish to do so. You need 5 members that will be the tough part. Start a new thread for your proposal mate, I would very much like to see this Club in the Theatre League.

Good luck man.

Dan Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy


Really? you wana see this Club? Very Happy Maybe i should! Laughing but idk if people would be upset with me for taking a club slot Very Happy though it doesnt hurt to ask! Very Happy so ill go ahead and make a proposal!
P71

Bull,

The Atlantic is already covered, there's no reason to make it a Club. Dan is the only person seriously considering this, even though you obviously threw it up as a non-sequitur.
Bull Halsey

way to shoot down ideas...
danaussie

P71 wrote:
Bull,

The Atlantic is already covered, there's no reason to make it a Club. Dan is the only person seriously considering this, even though you obviously threw it up as a non-sequitur.


I think we should let him make his proposal and then see where the interest is, his membership requirement is the toughest quota to fill, if he does not get his 5 members he may not launch, to say I am the only one that has an interest is a little pre-mature dont you think.

I have given Bull sanction to make a formal proposal so that is what he may do. If he still wants to of course, that decision is up to him.

Cheers Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy  

Dan
P71

Hey if he wants to, that's fine. I'm just pointing out that the idea of the Theatre split was to have everybody with their own sections. Club Atlantic would be stepping on CFS's toes, yet we have a very large (and active) theatre totally un-represented. If the Clubhouse (and CFS) is ok with Club Atlantic, I don't see any reason not to try. Just because we take in Club Atlantic doesn't mean we can't also have a Club Ceylon down the road Wink
Bull Halsey

If CFS doesnt want this then i wont do that and then id propose Club Ceylon. i would like CFS insight please! Very Happy
sublime828

I don't really know, I guess I would have to see how you are planning on doing a club atlantic without it being a meld of CFS and Club med units that are already established.

I really feel that at this point, we need to fix what we already have before we add anymore clubs to the mix.  I would encourage you to take some time and put alot of thought into how you want to spin your club and present it a little down the road, when  the clubhouse is more organized.
danaussie

P71 wrote:
Hey if he wants to, that's fine. I'm just pointing out that the idea of the Theatre split was to have everybody with their own sections. Club Atlantic would be stepping on CFS's toes, yet we have a very large (and active) theatre totally un-represented. If the Clubhouse (and CFS) is ok with Club Atlantic, I don't see any reason not to try. Just because we take in Club Atlantic doesn't mean we can't also have a Club Ceylon down the road Wink


Couldn't agree more P71, Club Ceylon has not been put forward Club Atlantic, however, has so we'll see what happens. Club Red was launched and recieved no interest so it died, if that is Club Atlantics fate then it will die too. Either way I'm sure Bull will be happy to stay with Club SoPac if his own Club fails to launch or join a different club, I'm sure there is a place for him somewhere.

I could be wrong here and it would not be the first time but I'm pretty sure that CFS is all about the Barents Sea and Baltic aren't they but they probably touch into the North Atlantic from England up to the Norwegian Sea and into the Baltic. If Club Atlantic launches they would be dealing with the North Atlantic south to the Med and to the Eastern United States right? So of course there would be overlap but I dont see the problem with that. The Royal Navy opperated in all these seas, naturaly there will be overlap because of this, as there is or would be with a Club Ceylon and Club SoPac if you follow. Does that make sense?

We'll get them all squared away it may take a couple of weeks but at least then we will all know who is handling what definatively.

Cheers P71 Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
Bull Halsey

dont worry sub, units that mainly operated in the Atlantic. units that operated with the Homefleet for a short time dont count. making my draft now and when i put it up, i wan all of your suggestions for me so i can update and edit it as we go along.
angryhydralisk

Where do I put Team Rocket Very Happy
danaussie

You are going to make me answer that Angry aren't you? Laughing

Mate Team Rocket does not meet several of the Club House criteria for forming clubs, if it wants to be recognised it must meet all the criteria, here is a link:

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about19402.html

Scroll down and you will find it.

But you are probably just pulling my leg right? Wink

Cheers mate Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
angryhydralisk

That guidline is for clubs yes im not a club im a "team "

Twisted Evil
danaussie

I'm so glad you are here on this particular day mate, where's the pie in the face emoticon at? Embarassed  Laughing

Dan Laughing
Crazy Cat

Whatever we do it has to be simple and with general consensus Exclamation   I agree, Dan, we can't please everyone and our efforts to allow free flow of conversation are vital to building interest and trust.   Give this thread some time to develop and hopefully we will get some other opinions.  

Herky had something to say and I hope you all heard him.  He isn't sure of the status of Club USN.  Many obviously enjoy the avatar (which is GREAT Exclamation ) but may not be more active than that at this time.  This may also be true for several other clubs and I believe that is perfectly fine.

Make sure you aren't spending all your time developing a formal political structure with some ridculously huge multi-gaming network.  Keep it simple.  Things that get top heavy seem to fail and that isn't specific to ships Exclamation  Wink

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