wickett,jedi rock thrower
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russian armyplayed a few games but was wondering what the better squads were for the Russians. any help would be grate full cause i'd like to beat my buddies in this game once in awhile. 
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Sharpe
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Do you want to play pure Russian?
Is cheese a big concern?
I like:
1x KV-1
1x Sherman (Lend-Lease)
1x Bofors (Lend-Lease)
1x Commissar (Rides on KV-1)
7x Mosin-Nagant
3x DP-27
Or you can put a Cossack Captain on a KV-1, as more unscrupulous players do.
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Piemaster
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moved to Army Builds (but left a shadow here)
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wickett,jedi rock thrower
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i'd prefer to play pure Russians but if i cant so be it.
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Duck Crusader
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The Rooskis have good stuff and enough of it that you shouldn't have any problems playing a pure force.
 Why the heck isn't the Cossack Captain mounted?
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Piemaster
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| Duck Crusader wrote: | The Rooskis have good stuff and enough of it that you shouldn't have any problems playing a pure force.
Why the heck isn't the Cossack Captain mounted? |
A common misconception is that all cossacks were always mounted. This is untrue. MOST of the time, yes they had horses etc., but they still walked every once in a while. 
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Duck Crusader
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OK Piemaster, the fact that they didn't live on their horses is a given, but in this case it would seem to me to make more sense for the calvary officer to be able to keep up with his men without a transport.
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Gross Admiral Raeder
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Russians are my favorite army out of all AAM's. They kick Ass
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Field Marshal PF
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The Russians have more than enough quality units to make a 100pt army. Enough though KV-1 is great another alternative is the Guards T-34/85, the SU-85 is also good.
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Richter von Manthofen
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Russians you should have
KV-1 - should be the staple tank (except if you know the Germany bring their high armor tanks)
SU-85 - new cost makes this a good choice against German Tanks
Both Commanders are good
Mortar + FO (on KV-1)
Mosin Nagant
PPSh-41 (doubles as anti Air)
Degtyarev
Grenadiers
(I prefer a healty mix of those)
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wickett,jedi rock thrower
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sweet thanks guys for the help, any other pointers/additions to it would be much appreciated
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Field Marshal PF
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Remember, with Soviets, you have the pleasure of taking your time, down rush recklessly, let the German player get set up on the objective, then formulate an assualt. Germans aren't the best at holding down a sector, and Soviets have every tool to beat them with. Use Russian mortars, Katyushas, IL-2s, whatever to soften them up, then send in your infantry and armour. Always keep a reserve force to guard your support units(the Katyusha, 82mm mortars). Besides that, bring your lucky dice.
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Comrade Volorkey
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| Duck Crusader wrote: | The Rooskis have good stuff and enough of it that you shouldn't have any problems playing a pure force.
Why the heck isn't the Cossack Captain mounted? |
Most of the time when cavalry fight at range they will dismount, man is smaller target then man on horse. I think that Russian WW2 cavalry would frequently dismount to engage and horses were more of a way to get around, generally.
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Field Marshal PF
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| Comrade Volorkey wrote: |
Most of the time when cavalry fight at range they will dismount, man is smaller target then man on horse. I think that Russian WW2 cavalry would frequently dismount to engage and horses were more of a way to get around, generally. |
I agree.
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Arcos
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The Soviets play very different from the Americans and Germans in that the are much more focused on type vs. type fights. IE, use your tanks and assault guns to kill enemy armored vehicles and use your infantry to mop up enemy infantry. The all-armored or all-infantry tactics sometimes used by the US or Germany aren't nearly as effective for the Russians unless you use lend-lease Stuarts.
One other thing to note is that I think the Soviets will probably benefit more from the switch to the 3 unit stacking limit more than any other faction.
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Remember-OWS-
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| Arcos wrote: | ...
One other thing to note is that I think the Soviets will probably benefit more from the switch to the 3 unit stacking limit more than any other faction. |
That will ruined the game IMHO.
I play Russian in FOW too... Human Wave tactics is a must.
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pushkintank
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I love playing the Russians! Played the Smolensk scenario out of the expanded rule book tonight and won handily. My commisar popped three mosin nagants in the course of the game and thank goodness the axis had only ONE SS stormtrooper and SS Haupsturmfuhrer, respectively. I am learning that as a Russian player, one is free to have a callous disregard for one's units in the name of objective achievement success. (bye bye Mosin Nagant, sorry you didn't make it T-34, oh, another T-70 or BT-7 bites the dust, oh well). For my German playing buddies, psychologically, many high quality German units are just too valuable to lose/sacrifice. (Vet tigers, Expert Snipers, SS Hauptsturms, Oberleutnants, Elite Panzers, etc.) But damn German units are cool! I'll give'em that.
My buddies are brainstorming their 100 point armies for a possible trip to Gen Con this year. (Darn that Magic the Gathering tournament schedule thing was changed or something). I don't have anyone in my group to talk 100pt Russian builds with.
Thanks for the Russian build Posts, they really help! Some other advice posted earlier on Russian builds helped me win a 200pt vs 200pt Soviet vs. German random 2 map take the objective game 2 weeks ago. The T34 was my staple tank, but I've got two KV-1s now and a new katyusha I'm dying use.
sign me,
Lonely in the vast expanses of Russia
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pushkintank
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Oh, man, I have to comment.
Sharpe called mounting a Cossack on a KV-1 unscrupulous. Well, I honestly hadn't thought of that tactic until reading in in these forums! I picked up some other nasty Soviet tricks from Fieldmarshal PF, Richter von Mantofen and Arcos, here, and I'm going to apply them all.  Will I be chastised at Gen con for playing these dirty Soviet tactics?! I hope the new stacking rules will be in effect, heh heh.
Or more likely, I'll get my Soviet heine handed to me on a silver platter. After all, its Gen Con, the Mecca of the gaming world, and I'm relatively new to A&AM. I request more unscrupulous tips please! I'll need them to defeat that villainy of creation: the Veteran Tiger, oy, and I mean that in the kindest, most sportsmanlike (ahem) way possible.
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NeuralDream
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| pushkintank wrote: | | I hope the new stacking rules will be in effect, heh heh. |
In typical WoTC fashion, the revisions have been delayed. I predict the new rules to come near Christmas. Remember that they had said 2-4 weeks a month ago, but you know how much they care about deadlines by now. M2A0 already mentioned that they will not be ready during the summer.
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Sharpe
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| NeuralDream wrote: | | pushkintank wrote: | | I hope the new stacking rules will be in effect, heh heh. |
In typical WoTC fashion, the revisions have been delayed. I predict the new rules to come near Christmas. |
Christmas of which year?
Seriously, I think ND could sit down and write these rules by himself in two weeks and do a much better job than WoTC. I truly fear to see what sort of monster Wizards will deliver. I estimate that it will do more to divide the community even further.
What we need is a a basic framework upon which people can hang their house rules. This framework could function as the tournament rules, but each section would include a list of options which the players could add as their preferences dictate. That way, all parties except the most incorrigible would be satisified, common ground would exist, and all players would have access to the ingenious additions the community has created.
Having some Frankenstein's monster emerge from the WoTC laboratory is truly scary. We've already seen how little they know and how unfamiliar they are with imagination. I doubt that the steadying genius of WoTCHuscarl (aka Y2UAsk), ND or Richter von Manthofen will have had as much effect as the arrogantly demented ignorance of M2A0 and his mentally addled myrmidons.
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Shank77
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| NeuralDream wrote: | | pushkintank wrote: | | I hope the new stacking rules will be in effect, heh heh. |
In typical WoTC fashion, the revisions have been delayed. I predict the new rules to come near Christmas. Remember that they had said 2-4 weeks a month ago, but you know how much they care about deadlines by now. M2A0 already mentioned that they will not be ready during the summer. |
Well it's no surprise things are delayed, but I still had a little hope it was going to happen on time. Silly me.
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