Archive for Axis & Allies ForuMINI Specialised in the World War II Axis & Allies Miniatures and War At Sea Games          Axis & Allies ForuMINI Forum Index -> Forumini '08 AAM Cup NeuralDream Round 3: Polish Cavalryman Vs. Armchair General Combatants: Polish Cavalryman - Allies Armchair General - Allies Polish Cavalryman -------------------- Bazooka 1x = 4 BAR Gunner 1x = 4 Eagle-Eyed NCO 1x = 7 M1 Garand Rifle 4x = 16 M5 Half-Track 1x = 7 KV-1 1x = 32 Cavalrymen 1x = 4 Communist Partisans 2x = 6 Armchair General -------------------- Sherman M4A1 Jeep BAR Bazooka Inspiring Lt. Defiant Paras x5 Garands Bofors Army restrictions: year 1943, total cost 80, Max. 12 units, no heroes. We don't use the extended Rules as many haven't bought them and they are not available online. So, we stick to the original rules that everybody is familiar with. Use the  AAM units database for units for which you don't have the cards. Alternatively you can use hordelings, bgg, or even better here. Notice that: The German SS-Panzergrenadiers and the American Ranger units cost 7, instead of 5. ******* You win if you control at least one objective and the opponent controls none at the end of turn 7. If no winner is determined by the end of turn 7, then we re-check by the end of turn 8, 9 and 10. If still no winner, the game ends at the end of turn 10, where we count the total cost of enemy units killed. ******* The Map for the third round (you deploy along the top and bottom hex row): Send me you armies gentlemen. armchair general re ND: Hello!  I'm guessing that, just like in the Advanced Rules, "controlling the objective" means a mini could either be in the objective hex or one of the hexes around the objective? Thanks! armchair general NeuralDream Yup. That's why I didn't change the phrasing. Polish_Cavalryman army sent. armchair general re army sent this morning! Polish_Cavalryman roll for choice of sides... (I can't remember if it is 2 dice but I think it is) Rolls: (2d6)      re-roll if needed... Rolls: (2d6)      in the meantime... here is my army: Bazooka 1x = 4 BAR Gunner 1x = 4 Eagle-Eyed NCO 1x = 7 M1 Garand Rifle 4x = 16 M5 Half-Track 1x = 7 KV-1 1x = 32 Cavalrymen 1x = 4 Communist Partisans 2x = 6 total 12 units and 80 points Polish_Cavalryman possible misunderstanding... I thought we house-ruled against T-34/KV-1 Cossack combo.  My opponent more clearly said T-34, KV-1, and Cossack Cpt.   Therefore... prior to seeing his army I am proposing to change the KV-1 into a Soviet M3 Lee and using the 2 points to change an M1 Garand into the 6-point US mortar.   I am waiting for confirmation from armchair_general that this is ok. I'm glad I posted my army and he caught it. armchair general re Guys, the changes are fine with me.  No problem! Polish_Cavalryman Re: re armchair general wrote: Guys, the changes are fine with me.  No problem! then I say you are up for rolling for sides. NeuralDream Do whatever you want as long as you agree . armchair general re alright, I'll roll for sides quickly before dinner.... let's see if I remember how to do this... Rolls: (2d6)      +2 initiative armchair general re well, nice to see my dice are getting the bad rolls out of the way early on!!   Polish_Cav.....your choice of sides Cpt. John Miller setup gets no initiative bonus. Polish_Cavalryman Partisan 1 in A1 Partisan 2 in A3 M3 Lee in Q7 with bazooka loaded M5 half-track in Q9 (first woods) with M2 mortar loaded Garand 1 and EENCO in Q11 Garand 2 and BAR in Q13 Garand 3 and Pony in Q15 your deployment.  I'll check back in 10-15 min. Polish_Cavalryman [img] http://i258.photobucket.com/album...olish_Cavalryman/round3-move1.jpg [/img] here's a map of my setup. Polish_Cavalryman wonder what I'm doing wrong?[/img] armchair general re Map looks good to me.....doesn't look like you're doing anything wrong! Interesting army build....I like it!!  Hopefully, I've got enough to take care of it. Will have my map posted later this afternoon, after school lets out! Polish_Cavalryman oh it just didn't work the first time.  Second map worked. Congrats on Xaviers win.  I have to hope my Bucky can pull one out against Davidson.  I know most of America will be pulling for Davidson but hey... we've never won a championship either.   I see the M5 can carry the US mortar since the US mortar does NOT say soldier - artillery.  I didn't realize that.  I see one other similar oddity on this map.  Woods next to stream is never done by Wotc so the question never comes up... but I assume a vehicle trying to enter must make 2 rolls to enter the woods and if EITHER one fails the vehicle is stuck facing the woods.  I guess that is only logical.   Like last time my army has half the same units as my enemy.  So we'll consider this a "friendly" war exercise wtih no live fire.  When we get closer I'll adjust the color on the units so it is more obvious who belongs to whom.   Sorry about the Partisans... this setup system makes for some funky arrangements.  I've tried to avoid overexploiting the oddness of the setup system (like liberal use of tank traps and what-not).  But the Partisans pretty much need to go there.  Besides you can still place units in that town area.  I like how Partisans are weak in this game but potentially a thorn.  These are one of the units I think they did a very good job with.  True they should not be in a real skirmish but they did affect supply and support which is modeled here in some way. Anyway... good luck. Cpt. John Miller Polish_Cavalryman wrote: the Partisans pretty much need to go there.  Besides you can still place units in that town area. I'm not positive, but I don't believe he can place there. In the standard game you get to set up 3 hexes deep so it doesn't really come up. What is the opinion of the moderator? Polish_Cavalryman Cpt. John Miller wrote: Polish_Cavalryman wrote: the Partisans pretty much need to go there.  Besides you can still place units in that town area. I'm not positive, but I don't believe he can place there. In the standard game you get to set up 3 hexes deep so it doesn't really come up. What is the opinion of the moderator? If they can't place there then I move them back 1 space to B2.  Just curious though... what is the reason they can't go there?   In all honesty I don't care though.  B2 is fine or maybe better.  So it makes no difference to me.   IMO there are a lot of funky things you can do in these setups that you would never be able to do in a regular game.  This is one of those funky things. But as I said... B2 is almost better for me.  I'll let my opponent pick their location.  It matters not to me. armchair general re Polish_Cav: I think Cap. is referring to me not being able to place units in hexes with your partisans.  As far as I'm concerned (for whatever that's worth!   ), your partisan setup looks okay to me!   Cap. Miller, I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I think I'm interpreting you correctly..... Regarding this and the multiple movement rolls question w/ the stream and woods, I think I found some answers for us on the Old Avalon Hill Forum! (1) Partisans From 3-24-2006: "Partisans set up during your portion of the deployment phase, whether you set up first or second. And yes, if Partisans set up first, the opposing player can set up units in the same hex as Partisans, as long as it's a legal hex for that unit (e.g., can't place a vehicle in a roadless marsh hex, must be within 5 of your baseline). This may or may not be a good idea." Steve (2) Multiple Movement Rolls From 6-15-2006: "If an infantry was trying to cross Barbwire, which is also over a Hedgerow edge, across a Bluff hexside.....the infantry would need to roll 4+, 4+, and then 5+ to make that move. Is that right? All movement rolls stack like that?" Wak "Correct. I don't recall whether the movement roll for Soldiers to climb bluff is 4+ or 5+, but they do all need to be made successfully, and all during the same phase." Steve It seems like this would apply to a vehicle attempting to cross the stream via the Forest hex..... Thank goodness for 'Ole Moderator Steve! Dave Cpt. John Miller I stand corrected. Seems like every round some obscure rule is clarified for everyone, even know-it-alls like myself. armchair general re Cap.: Glad you said something though.  Wasn't sure myself.  I don't play with partisans much. armchair general re Polish Cav: Good luck to you as well! Are you kidding me about the partisans     Don't feel at all bad about using 'em!  They're perfectly legal!!! Polish_Cavalryman you can still place in the same hex by the way. Sharpe I don't see why the partisans can't go in any edge hex, though I'm not the final arbitrator.  I also don't see why AG can't deploy his army in any hex either.  As far as I know, the presence of enemy partisans doesn't prevent a friendly unit from being deployed in the same hex unless there is a specific restriction. Polish_Cavalryman Ugh.  Badgers fall hard.  3 things. 1.  Curry hit everything in the 2nd half.  The kid was great. 2.  No Trevon Hughes at point guard really hurt. 3.  Davidson simply moved the ball well and did a good job on defense.  They played much better. Oh well. I'll check back later tonight and see if you completed the setup. armchair general re Yeah, I was surprised how well Davidson played D!  Curry was phenomenal!! Okay, here's my setup: A5- Garand A7- Jeep w/ bazooka loaded on it A9- Garand & Sherman A11- Bofors & BAR A13- Inspiring Lt. & a Garand A15- 2 Garands Polish_Cavalryman Initiative: Rolls: (2d6)      re-roll if tied Rolls: (2d6)      we both have +2 commanders armchair general re Initiative: Rolls: (2d6)      re-roll if necessary Rolls: (2d6)      armchair general re Well, it seems the dice gods have left me for the moment at least!   Polish Cav:  Your choice..... armchair general re Here's what the map looks like at the moment: Polish_Cavalryman you can go first. armchair general re The British Lt. shouts to his men, "Follow me chaps!  TALLY  HO!" Garand- from A5 to A7 Jeep w/ Bazooka aboard- F10 Sherman- D6 BAR- C9 Garand- from A9 to B10 Inspiring Lt & Garand- from A13 to C11 Garands- from A15 to C13 your move..... Polish_Cavalryman M5 moves to N6 & tries to get into woods at M5.  Hmmm... M5 & M5 sounds like charma to me... Rolls: (2d6)      (I need both 4+) Polish_Cavalryman dang. OK M3 Lee rumbles up to M9 facinf NE Both Partisans at B2 Cavalry to M15 All infantry on foot move 1 hex forward NW you are up to attack armchair general re My assault phase: Sherman to F4 Jeep w/ bazooka to G5 BAR to D10 Inspiring Lt. & Garand to D12 Garands from C13 to D14 Garand from B10 to C11 Garand from A7 to A9 Your assault.... armchair general re Whoops! Forgot to move the Bofors..... Bofors moves to C11 Polish_Cavalryman M3 Lee moves to M7 then tries to cross stream to L6 Rolls: (1d6)    and what the hey... Partisan 1 at B2 fires a pot shot at Marine on A9 Rolls: (5d6)            Polish_Cavalryman M3 Lee continues on and uses road to get onto hill at K3.  Ends facing NE. M5 half-track with mortar decides he can't swim and scoots onto the road crosses bridge at O 1/3 with road bonus and ends up at M3. Garand from P10 to O9 NCO from P10 to O11 BAAR from P12 to O11 Garand from P12 to O13 Garand from P14 to O13 Cavalry gallops to I11 Other Partisan decides he might be a better shot and fires at Marine in A9. Rolls: (5d6)            Polish_Cavalryman both close but no ciger... they win a ZZ Top keychain.   initiative turn 2: Rolls: (2d6)      Polish_Cavalryman this should be correct.  let me know if i made a mistake. End of Turn 1: [/img] Polish_Cavalryman also... please start indicating facing on the Sherman.  I think it will start to be a factor. armchair general re Yep, you're right.....I marked it on one of the early maps.  I use a red line to indicate the direction it's facing.   Gotta remember to do that! armchair general re turn 2 initiative Rolls: (2d6)      Polish_Cavalryman it's your choice. armchair general re Polish Cav: Yep....sorry; I wanted to get the initiative roll in before I hit the sack!  I was just too tired to do anything else after that.... Now that I have a free moment ......I can get back into the match. I'll go first and post my movement momentarily. armchair general re Turn 2 movement: Sherman to D8 Jeep w/ bazooka to D10 Garands from D14 to E13 Garand from C11 to D12 Garand from D12 to E11 Your movement...... Hey, did you happen to get the license plate of the semi that ran over Xavier this weekend!?  Man, UCLA looked impressive (which is good considering I have them in the Final 4 in both my brackets!!). armchair general re oh yeah, and Sherman is facing West.... Polish_Cavalryman there are some devilishly close line of site issues here.  I think I'm right but I'm playing this as a "friendly" and so it may become obvious what I'm doing... but no big deal. Anyway please let me know if you do not agree but I believe the yellow line crosses the edge of the woods hex and units on either end of this line DO NOT have line of site. [img]http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/Polish_Cavalryman/PHmove2-2.jpg[img] sorry.  if there was another way to avoid the close call I'd do it.  I think 1 or 2 other close calls could go the way I want but I have alternatives.  On this one though I think I need your blessing that this is not a shot.   Let me know.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I tried to remove all the cluter and put the line ends right on the dots.  [/img] Polish_Cavalryman [/img] Polish_Cavalryman well... for the sake of saving time since I won't check for several hours... here is my planned move. If you really don't want to see it then don't scroll down I guess. . . . . . . . . . . Last chance . . . . . . I mean it this time... here it comes... . . . . . [/img] armchair general re This may be easier than we think.... Unless I'm counting wrong (which, hey, considering it's the end of the day....anything is possible), following the yellow line you drew (great idea by the way!), it looks like the range from L6 to C11 is 9 hexes, which is too far for the mortar..... What do you think? Polish_Cavalryman ahh yes.  too far for the mortar indeed.  but not for what lies on the other end of the line.  and there's the rub. Polish_Cavalryman if you want a better look you can copy and paste into word or any other program and blow it up to 200%.   i've convinced myself that it crosses the woods hex and therefore the Bofors could not shoot at the mortar/half-tack.  If you don't agree let me know and I will adjust my movement turn.  If you agree then it is your assault phase. armchair general re the lunch bell is just about to end...that's a good idea....I'll take a look at it on Word.  I'm leaning towards the fact that the Bofors does have LOS, but, in that case, yep, re-do your movement or I'll avoid shooting the Bofors at the mortar this turn.... Polish_Cavalryman then let's do this alternate move... [img]ttp://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/Polish_Cavalryman/move2alt.jpg[/img] you are up for assault.[/img] Polish_Cavalryman ohh for crying out loud Doug... you are up for assault. NeuralDream Since it's an olympic match and I have 10 more minutes before I go, I'll take a look with the photoshop ruler. You are talking about the LOS from C11 to M3, right? It is blocked by H6. Without doubt. Polish_Cavalryman NeuralDream wrote: Since it's an olympic match and I have 10 more minutes before I go, I'll take a look with the photoshop ruler. You are talking about the LOS from C11 to M3, right? It is blocked by H6. Without doubt. C11 to L6 was the original question.  See the yellow line above. NeuralDream Polish_Cavalryman wrote: NeuralDream wrote: Since it's an olympic match and I have 10 more minutes before I go, I'll take a look with the photoshop ruler. You are talking about the LOS from C11 to M3, right? It is blocked by H6. Without doubt. C11 to L6 was the original question.  See the yellow line above. It is blocked. Have fun. See you in 2 days. Polish_Cavalryman thanks.   ok if the man says it is blocked I'll go with my original then.   your assault AG. armchair general re Polish Cav: Yep, I'm with you guys.  After I looked at it in word, the LOS catches too much of the woods hex.... I asked Neural Dream and Sharpe to look at the LOS question.  I thought it was too important not to get a second opinion.... armchair general re Neural Dream: Thanks for getting back to us!  Have a safe trip!! armchair general re Turn 2 assault: Garands from E13 to D14 Bofors to D12 Jeep w/ bazooka to C9 Sherman rumbles to F4, facing SE Garand from E11 to D12 Garand from A9 to B10 Garand & Ins. Lt. to C13 BAR to C9 your assault... Polish_Cavalryman M5 tries to enter M5... Rolls: (1d6)    Polish_Cavalryman Partisans both go to D2 M3 Lee to H4 facing NW Garand at M9 BAR and EENCO at M11 2 Garands at M13 Cavalry at H10 initiative turn 3: Rolls: (2d6)     +2 armchair general re initiative rolll Rolls: (2d6)      armchair general re Guess the Lt. inspired my dice that time!     With his +2, it's a tie.... initiative re-roll Rolls: (2d6)      Polish_Cavalryman re-roll... Rolls: (2d6)      Polish_Cavalryman my move... EENCO from M11 across tiny wittle stream to L10... Rolls: (1d6)    Polish_Cavalryman BAR is impressed and tries the same... Rolls: (1d6)    Polish_Cavalryman 2 Garands move to L12 last Garand tries to hop over the ditch from M9 to L8... Rolls: (1d6)    Polish_Cavalryman other moves as shown. you are up for assault.  maybe we'll have our first disruption of the game this turn?   I may have to give some input on when to take defensive fire if you try to rush past "my little pony".   [/img] armchair general re my movement.... "Red Devil" paradrops into I1 Sherman scoots to E9 Garand from B10 to C11 Jeep to B14 your assault.... Polish_Cavalryman Cavalry on Bofors: Rolls: (7d6)                cover if needed Rolls: (1d6)    Garand at L8 on Para using Stars & Stripes + EENCO range ability Rolls: (8d6)                  Polish_Cavalryman M3 Lee on Garand at C11 Rolls: (7d6)                M3 Lee on Sherman with hull mount Rolls: (8d6)                  Polish_Cavalryman that'll have to do.  I sure could have used a Sherman disrupt. Garand destroyed.  Para and Bofors disrupted. Partisans move to D2 and F4 EENCO and BAR move to K9 1 Garand from L12 to K11 Other Garand from L12 to K13 where M5 half-tack joins him Bazooka tries to cross stream to H6... Rolls: (1d6)    mortar to M3 that should do it.  I'll make a map later.  Well... we're underway now.  The fightin' has begun. armchair general re armchair general re alright, gonna squeeze off a few rounds before I leave for work.... Garand #1 from D14 on Polish Horsy, using Stars and Stripes... Rolls: (9d6)                    cover if needed Rolls: (1d6)    armchair general re pause for a moment of silence and the playing of the Polish National Anthem........ armchair general re Bofors on partisan at F4 Rolls: (9d6)                    armchair general re Wow, partisan must have been wearing experimental body armor! Sherman fires at M3 Lee... Rolls: (9d6)                    armchair general re Oh well...gotta get to work...have to do the rest later..... Polish_Cavalryman [img]http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh261/Polish_Cavalryman/assaultturn3.jpg[img] I know you are not done... I just had a few minutes to update the picture.  The * indicates the unit has fired.   Well my Cavalry was not as useful as it normaly is but he did a lot of good holding the front and if not for your cover on the Bofors he still would have had a good game.  I still hope the Cavalry has some use in his soon to be deceased figure.  I guess I'll see if you decide to draw his wrath in defensive fire. I'm bracing for a comback on your dice rolls and I'm hoping I didn't use up all my luck on stream hoping which seems to be our specialty.   [/img] Polish_Cavalryman [img]I still hope the Cavalry has some use in his soon to be deceased figure.  I guess I'll see if you decide to draw his wrath in defensive fire. [/img] Polish_Cavalryman oh man... this is embarasing. Polish_Cavalryman oops.  I forgot to show the mortar had moved. Polish_Cavalryman Re: re armchair general wrote: Wow, partisan must have been wearing experimental body armor! Rolls: (9d6)                    never underestimate the power of vodka! Polish_Cavalryman just to avoid a dealy... the Cavalry will fire at the first soldier that tries to move past/into his hex.  since he can't really hurt you he will fire to try and stop your movement and therefore fire at the hex you are comming from.   so he gets 7 dice and you get cover if appropriate. armchair general re okay, it's lunchtime, so I'll try and finish my assault before the bell rings! Jeep w/bazooka goes to D8 Para moves into the hills at H1 BAR fires at Partisan in F4 Rolls: (6d6)              everyone else stays put and stands at attention as "Taps" is played for the dead Garand armchair general re looks like my luck is back....partisan is disrupted... Turn 4 initiative roll: Rolls: (2d6)      +2 Polish_Cavalryman initiative... Rolls: (2d6)      and re-roll Rolls: (2d6)      Polish_Cavalryman Polish_Cavalryman your movement phase... armchair general re Sherman to G11, facing West BAR to D10 Jeep w/bazooka to B14 your assault..... Polish_Cavalryman M5 half-track on Garand at D14 Rolls: (6d6)              Partisan at D4 on Bofors Rolls: (5d6)            cover if needed... Rolls: (1d6)    Partisan (disrupted) at BAR Rolls: (5d6)            Polish_Cavalryman Garand at K9 on Para Rolls: (8d6)                  cover if needed Rolls: (1d6)    Polish_Cavalryman BAR lays covering fire on your BAR Rolls: (6d6)              Bar Fight! Polish_Cavalryman M3 takes a potshot at Inspiring Lt. Rolls: (7d6)                then he fires off a prayer and a hull mount at the Sherman Rolls: (8d6)                         Axis & Allies ForuMINI Forum Index -> Forumini '08 AAM Cup Page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2