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Mimmo

Reggiane Re. 2001 OR

I looked through this section, but I've seen that are not yet present the War at Sea data regarding the Reggiane Re. 2001 OR "Operazione Roma" - Operation Rome.
Then I made ​​a customized card with the following features.

This aircraft was a variant of the Re. 2001 CB "Cacciabombardiere" - Fighter-bomber, was born as naval version for both planned aircraft carriers Aquila and Sparviero.
According to some sources, while 15 units were produced, according to other, around fifty.

He was armed with a torpedo or alternatively with 600 kg bombs fall.
Like features and S/A I was inspired by the British Barracuda.
Before I go to printout this customized card, if anyone has any suggestions to improve the accuracy of the features of this version, let me know... any comment and suggestion is welcome!





For the miniature I'll repaint a double copy of the Re. 2001 CB using the light-blue scheme already used for the few airplane that have been completed:

Andreas3

I dont see why it would deserve determined attack.
Asbestos

Andreas3 wrote:
I dont see why it would deserve determined attack.

I'm not really sure why the Barracuda has Determined Attack to be honest, or why the Vindicator has Press. Sometimes I think those SAs are bandied around without reason.

Anyway, isn't the OR technically what we have? I know that a version with the ability to carry a torpedo was proposed, but I couldn't figure out the proposed model number and, as far as I know, it was never completed or tested.


If we could find a model number I think it'd be an Expanded Deck aircraft (much like the torpedo carrying Ju 87 that was to work from GZ) I'm thinking just take the Bomb 8 and turn it into Torpedo 2 or 3 and without an ASW value (I imagine that there'd be bomb shackle equipped Re2001s for bombing and torpedo capable ones for torping and sometimes bombing, so maybe an Alt Payload value?)
Mimmo

Andreas3 wrote:
I dont see why it would deserve determined attack.

I was hoping for a comment a bit 'more constructive ...
Let me know at least why you would not give this special ability to the Re. 2001 OR.

I state that I do not know the methods for granting special abilities to the various units.
'S why I opened this post, asking for information and compare a number of different ideas.

Since Italy in War at Sea does not have any embarked torpedo bombers, I thought of playing with this version.
The concept is this, if the Eagle never entered in service but in this game we have her miniature, then why not complete her flight group with this Re. 2001 version?
In fact, the OR version was designed expecially for the Aquila and the Sparviero.
Andreas3

Mimmo wrote:
Andreas3 wrote:
I dont see why it would deserve determined attack.

I was hoping for a comment a bit 'more constructive ...
Let me know at least why you would not give this special ability to the Re. 2001 OR.

I state that I do not know the methods for granting special abilities to the various units.
'S why I opened this post, asking for information and compare a number of different ideas.

Since Italy in War at Sea does not have any embarked torpedo bombers, I thought of playing with this version.
The concept is this, if the Eagle never entered in service but in this game we have her miniature, then why not complete her flight group with this Re. 2001 version?
In fact, the OR version was designed expecially for the Aquila and the Sparviero.


Dont see whats wrong with my statement?

Anyway I just think that a plane that never did enter service doesn't deserve SA's that influence it's effectivness in battle simply because it was never employed operationally and we therefore have no idea of it's performance, unlike the Dauntless and Val for eg. BUT I do agree that some aircraft like the Barracuda and Vindicator have gotten those SA's despite somewhat dissapointing performance in battle, so in the end DETERMINED ATTACK for this plane is probably justified.

A torpedo value of 2 would be more fitting since thats what the Barracuda got (the only other torpedo bomber with mission selection).
Mimmo

Thanks a lot for explain better.
Andreas3

Mimmo wrote:
Thanks a lot for explain better.


Your welcome, I'll make sure to state my reasons for my opinions right away next time  Wink
Mimmo

In the end I decided for the following characteristics:

- Cost: 11 (as the CB version)
- torpedo attack: 2 (this version carried a 600 Kg lightweight torpedo )
- bomb attack: 8 (as the CB version)
- cell: 5, 8, 1 (as the CB as the cell was the same)
- special abilities: Mission Selection

I had similar characteristics with the CB because the OR was a version of the Re. 2001 base just like the CB version then the differences should be minimal.
The OR had removed two machine guns and then I removed the air attack value and added the torpedo attack 2 by the bility to carry the lightweight torpedo.
The only special ability then remains to choose the mission profile between torpedo and dive bomber.

Since the CB version was also made ​​in a limited number of copies (about 39) but it is regularly present in War at Sea, with 50 units produced the OR version, I think that Italy should have her ship-borne torpedo fighter in the game.
BionicCow

I had a number of threads up regarding italian aircraft, they didnt draw much comments in many cases so were discontinued

the reason I picked those is because:

G55 was their best fighter(advanced fighter and could mingle with the big boys)
Linky


G55S was a full fledge torpedo bomber/fighter design
Linky

RE2005 was still a fighter/bomber but better
Linky


I didnt find that the OR was significantly different from 2001

perhaps doing the OR as the torpedo variant with torps-2 in the expanded deck forum may be beneficial however
Mimmo

Models G55 and Re. 2005 machines were definitely superior to the Re. 2001.
[In particular, the Re. 2005 is my favorite airplane of all Second World War].
I chose the variant Re. 2001 OR because it was designed specifically for the aircraft carrier Aquila.
The G55S, despite the ability to carry torpedoes, I do not think it was designed as a embarked plane.
In addition, the OR being very similar to CB, I can easy recolor it in order to obtain a custom unit.
The G55 and Re. 2005, not being present in War at Sea, I have not taken into consideration for this reason.
weedsrock2

Were any of these actually built? If not, then I assume it belongs in the Expanded deck project now.
Mimmo

Yes, i think that this post should be moved to the Expanded Deck section.
Apologise if I wrong post it here.
jfkziegler

Moved.
Asbestos

Well, the Re.2001 OR did exist (14, same as the Fi 167 if you count prototypes) and, technically we have it in the game (in the same sense that we have the 109T, Ju 87C, and D.790) albeit mislabeled.

The torpedo carrying Re.2001.... again, I'm not sure what the model was to be (I've read G? The naming schemes for variants of Italian planes doesn't make a lot of sense to me) I believe that only prototypes were built. Of course, I've also read that it was an Re.2002 that was modded to carry a torp, so I'm not sure. I'll try racking my brain on it a little more. Mimmo, if you could clear up any questions that'd be awesome.


Edit: Fleets says Re.2001G, so unless someone has other info I think I'm going to go with that. If Tiornu happened to stop by and give us more info on that aircraft/its planned use/why it was stopped (since Italy later continued work on torpedo-equipped fighters, but not with the 2001) that'd be awesome.
Mimmo

Asbestos wrote:
Edit: Fleets says Re.2001G, so unless someone has other info I think I'm going to go with that. If Tiornu happened to stop by and give us more info on that aircraft/its planned use/why it was stopped (since Italy later continued work on torpedo-equipped fighters, but not with the 2001) that'd be awesome.


These are the special version of the "Reggiane Re. 2001 Falco II" (Hawk):

source en.wikipedia and it.wikipedia

Re.2001
Prototypes, two built. Second prototype had three-spar wing, modified canopy and fixed tailwheel. First flight on May 1940

Re.2001 Serie I
First production series operated as fighter-bomber and carrier trainer; also used for land-based catapult tests, 100 built.

Re.2001 CB
Modified fighter-bomber produced from 1942, to carry 100 or 250 kg bomb under the fuselage for the attack role.
This is the version that actually we have in War at Sea.

Re.2001 OR Organizzazione Roma from Serie II
Proposed ship-borne fighter version for the carrier Aquila, 50 built. First addition of wing-mounted machine guns to development and optional cannon, able to carry a 600 kg torpedo or bomb as standard.
I was inspired by this version as it was a naval version and I intend use it on my Aquila

Re.2001 CN Caccia Notturno (Night Fighter) from Serie III & IV
Night fighter and fighter-bomber version, 74 built. Optional bombload of up to 640 kg (1,410 lbs) or additional fuel tank on Serie IV. Two 20 mm Mauser MG 151/20 cannon (60 rounds each) were fitted in two gondolas, one under each wing.

Re.2001 G/H
Experimental torpedo- (carrying a 600 kg torpedo) fighter or anti-tank version with lengthened tailwheel and two 20 mm cannons, two built.
I think that this is the version Fleets was referring

Re.2001 G/V
Modified fighter-bomber, with reinforced fuselage structure to carry a single 640 kg (1,410 lb) bomb with 120 kg HE, derived from a 381 mm shell (made for the Littorio class battleships). A small number of the variant was built; two G/Vs took part in Operation Pedestal but this was the sole use of the variant.

Re.2001 Delta
Prototype version powered by 840 hp Isotta-Fraschini Delta RC 16/48 engine, one built- first flight: 12 September 1942. After tests when a top speed of only 478 km/h at 5,760 m was reached, the Regia Aeronautica cancelled the 100 variants on order.

Re.2001bis
Prototype (MM.438) version with repositioned radiators, one built; although flight trials were successful, proving to be the fastest of the Re.2001 variants, it was converted back to a standard Re.2001.

Re.2001 Fotografico (Photographic)
Reconnaissance version with cameras / video cameras on the wing leading edge.

RE 2001S "Scorta" (Escort)
Some planes of co-belligerent Air Force after the Italian surrender were converted to this standard with the adoption of an additional ventral tank in order to increas the range.

If we want a torpedo bomber we should reproduce the data for the G/H version but I have no source if this version was land based online or can operate from aircraft carrier also.
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