Richter von Manthofen
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that is two smoke rolls - first need a 6, second a 5
Rolls: (1d6) 
Rolls: (1d6) 
init for next turn
Rolls: (2d6)  +1
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Richter von Manthofen
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OK Rodney down to two hits
your init
my planes fly again
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Richter von Manthofen
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BTW I score lower objective
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packertim
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iowa to 5c
subs in 5b and 6g stay
sub in 6h to 5g
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Richter von Manthofen
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Javelin to 6b
Rodney to 5f - slow Rolls: (1d6) - if low its stuck in 5g
air please
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packertim
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wc to rodney
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Richter von Manthofen
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hurricane to Javelin
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packertim
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wc to javelin
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Richter von Manthofen
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Hurricane to Javelin
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packertim
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avenger to javelin
done w air
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Richter von Manthofen
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OK Hellcat to javelin
last hurricane to ... St Lo - strafing
Antiair...
Rodney could ignore the plabe, but hey maybe I get a lucky shot
Rolls: (7d6)   
Javelin at Wildcat Rolls: (6d6)
other planes wait and look what happens
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Richter von Manthofen
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Sorry javelin only has 5 dice - should I reroll 
Hurricane at Wildcat Rolls: (6d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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Second Hurricane at Wildcat Rolls: (6d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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And finally Hellcat at Avenger
Rolls: (8d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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finally aborted...
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packertim
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st lo at strafing cane
Rolls: (5d6)
[wc at cane over jav
Rolls: (7d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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Ok that means Hurricane aborted (St. lo)
Avenger Aborted - no more air attacks
Your surface step
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packertim
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air will be a non factor it appears
Iowa seconds 5d at jav
Rolls: (5d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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i also do my surface
Rodney (bonus) at IOWA
Rolls: (14d6)
Javelin 2 torps (bonus)
Rolls: (2d6)
I also can do Main Gunnery with 5dice (bonus)
Rolls: (5d6)
And Rodneys secondaries attack the St Lo
Rolls: (5d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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another hit at the Iowa (shes 2 points now)
Javelin misses
Rodney cripples St. Lo
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packertim
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iowa mains at jav 17d needs 1 six
Rolls: (17d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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one hit...
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packertim
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wow that was close all i got was ONE six
Jav sinks, end of my surface
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Richter von Manthofen
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No sorry javelin is crippled... one six meands you have hit armor, but not vitalled...
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packertim
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sub in 6g gets 4 torps at rodney
Rolls: (4d6)
sub in 5g gets 4 torps at rodney
Rolls: (4d6)
this roll is sooooo important
they have come through so far for me
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Richter von Manthofen
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Have you seen that Javelin lurking above the waves 
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packertim
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iowa had crippled the jav with its secondaries a couple of posts prior
that is why only 1 six was needed
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Richter von Manthofen
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No it had not - or we would have to redo the whole battle from this point on - I thought you had sunk the Javelin that was with RODNEY...
(I could not have moved two sectors a turn ago if she was crippled
Also your secondaries have reach 2 and not three....
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packertim
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did you find my two separate hits on the jav?
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packertim
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1. Jav with Rodney was sunk turns ago, I sunk this Jav several posts ago with the secondaries range 2 (that is how you got the 2 torp rolls with the jav)
2. Iowa got 5 dice at range 2 and got 4 hits for the first damage. The Iowa mains then got a six which was the final 2 hits for the second damage.
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Richter von Manthofen
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Sorry I did NOT notice you fired your secondaries before Your Primarier... Silly ME...
Of course the Jave is dead...
Next Turn
init Rolls: (2d6) +1
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Richter von Manthofen
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your init
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DaJudge
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| packertim wrote: | air will be a non factor it appears
Iowa seconds 5d at jav
Rolls: (5d6) |
There it is, scored 4 hits. The Iowa mains with 1 six finishes the Javelin off, just to confirm.
Never mind, RVM found it.
This is an exciting game by the way.
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Richter von Manthofen
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| DaJudge wrote: | | packertim wrote: | air will be a non factor it appears
Iowa seconds 5d at jav
Rolls: (5d6) |
There it is, scored 4 hits. The Iowa mains with 1 six finishes the Javelin off, just to confirm. |
I totally missed that post - see my former post, I saw it already - got confused because he used his secondaries before his mains...
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packertim
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Your Jav that was with the Warspite is the jav in question here. It came into the turn un damaged so it would take 2 damages of 2 hits each.
first damage was the post at 1:05 right after your post saying cane aborted at St Lo.
That damage was 5 dice from the secondaries of Iowa from range 2.
The second damage came from the mains rolling one six .
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Richter von Manthofen
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SORRRRRRY!
Your init
- with 3 ships down - no air next turn its likely I loose this game ...
But it was closer than it looks
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packertim
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ok great lets finish this thing off
init Rolls: (2d6) +2
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Richter von Manthofen
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Ignore the St. Lo for the time being...
Rodney goes to d5 - (e5 if slow) - Rolls: (1d6)
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packertim
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this was a very good game.
you do face tough odds now
must survive avenger during atr
survive iowas better guns (which have not hit yet) during surface
survive subs after that
you will have earned this victory if you win it
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Richter von Manthofen
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I do not expect to win - there is a chance if I survive this turn , but I admit main reason to play on: I could likely cripple your IOWA - means you would have to start with a damaged counter next game - thus no ER 5 for you. It would be unfair to your next opoonent, if I do not try...
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packertim
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iowa to obj
sub from 5g to 5f will be 2 torps
sub from 5b to 5c is crippled will be 3 torps
sub from 6g to 6f will be 2 torps
but start with avenger to rodney
roll your 7d
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Richter von Manthofen
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Rolls: (7d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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Aborted...
Main Guns Rolls: (14d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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IOWA is Crippled ...
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packertim
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I understand completely I would play it out, too
you could abort avenger and i could miss my subs like last turn
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packertim
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iowa mains at rodney 15d
Rolls: (15d6)
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packertim
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my iowa neverhit you 1 time this game
5f 2 torps Rolls: (2d6)
5c 3 torps Rolls: (3d6)
6f 2 torps Rolls: (2d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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Did your gunners smoke anything?
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packertim
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rodney is crippled, too.
init Rolls: (2d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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I am crippled too ... wow
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Richter von Manthofen
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init Rolls: (2d6)
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packertim
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iowa to 7a
sub in 5f to 5e
sub in 5c stays
sub in 6f to 6e
st. lo to 1e
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Richter von Manthofen
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Rodney to 6D - stay when slow Rolls: (1d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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your air
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packertim
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avenger and wc to crippled rodney.
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Richter von Manthofen
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Do I understand correctly: you put all your planes to Rodney or only 1 WC and Avenger?
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packertim
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that is all ,just those 2 still have 2 wc's left
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Richter von Manthofen
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OK...
1 Hurricane to St. Lo
1 Hellcat to Rodney
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DaJudge
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If anything, this has been a bloodbath with 2 crippled BB's, it will make our job easier in round 4, whoever wins.
Hell of a game guys, it could end with NO surface units. lol
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packertim
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have you placed air yet? if so wc to st lo
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Richter von Manthofen
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Yes I have places - see above
2nd hurricane to St. Lo
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packertim
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second and final wc to st lo
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packertim
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you can do yoyr aa
are you srefing st lo?
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Richter von Manthofen
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OK to sum it up
St Lo - 2 WC 3 Hurricanes
Rodney - Avenger, Wildcat Hellcat
My Hurries try to strafe! your AA
Rodney aa on Avenger Rolls: (7d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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Close, but not good enough
Helcatt attacks Avenger
Rolls: (8d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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You need a 6 for the Avenger - I had hoped to abort her...
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packertim
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wc at strafer wc has def flat =8d
1. wc at cane Rolls: (8d6)
2 wc at cane same 8 Rolls: (8d6)
3 cripp st lo 5d Rolls: (5d6) on 5,6
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Richter von Manthofen
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OK one Strafer gets through...
strafe dice Rolls: (2d6)
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packertim
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avenger 4 torps at rodney
Rolls: (4d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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rodney attacks IOWA
Rolls: (14d6) - need 5,6 to hit
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Richter von Manthofen
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BOOOM Iowa finally blows UP
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DaJudge
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St Lo and Iowa sunk? 
Iowa needs to sink Rodney.
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packertim
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crippled iowa 15d at r3 on 5,6 only
Rolls: (15d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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Miss
your subs...
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packertim
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sub in 5e 2 torps Rolls: (2d6)
sub in 5c 3 torps Rolls: (3d6)
sub in 6e 4 torps Rolls: (4d6)
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Richter von Manthofen
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A quick question - Your admiral gives you the bonus for the subs - WHERE is your admiral ?
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packertim
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now i get 3 sixes
you win good game
btw, one strafer was splashed, too
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packertim
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he was on barb 3. southernmost sub.
subs always syrvive
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DaJudge
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I'm sure Aquarius will confirm this but you can't put the admiral on a submarine, I think it was in the original rules. 
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packertim
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the both other ships were sunk so i will reroll the sbs. instead of 2,3 4 it will be 1,2 and3 torps.
Rolls: (1d6)
Rolls: (2d6)
Rolls: (3d6)
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packertim
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oh well .
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Richter von Manthofen
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I assume you sent the location of your opponent to Aquarius - he can then confirm where he was ;9
but thats less important - I smelled something fishy about this last game...
I checked the pages and finally found it..
Sorry I said I crippled your St. lo with the Rodneys secondaries, but all I managed was a hit. So she was not crippled when I attacked her - means she still is afloat
YOU won - 1 Objective, bonus points (I have no Surface fleet) + my ships sunk...
Congratulations....
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packertim
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perhaps, but if lockwood would have been on iowa then i might have hung back allowing you to take all 3 obj.
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packertim
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so i concede you win
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Richter von Manthofen
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Why would you have done this? - you kept the Iowa back as long as it was possible (you should not have retreated maybe when Rodney took the 2nd Objective)
I had Tovey on Rodney and "riked" him, It was the only chance I had.
I made some mistakes - I should have ignored the Wildcats first and should have tried to strafe St. Lo earlier.
IAlso should have switched places for Warspite and Rodney (to center), rodney could have gone for the 3rd objective...
But deciding IMHO was that I often could not abort the Avenger (Warspite killed) and even more that Warspite lacks Torpedo defence.
I also could have tried to stay out of reach of IOWA (Not that it mattered )...
I think its bad enough for you to have lost IOWA...
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Richter von Manthofen
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| packertim wrote: | | so i concede you win |
Lets ask the Judge...(Aquarius)
I think we both can probably not survive next round;)
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packertim
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I CONCEDE. I BROKE THE RULES. IF LOCKWOOD WAS NOT ON BOARD, THEN SOME OF THOSE SUB SHOTS MIGHT HAVE HIT. YOU WIN. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION!!!!!!
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packertim
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obviously i meant some of the sub shots would have missed. checked to see wy aquarius did not say i could not have lockwood on a sub. it turns out i never specified where he would be. i just said he was participating.
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Aquarius
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Wow guys, calm down.
I've looked through GA Raeder's posts, and nowhere did he specify the admiral had to be aboard a surface ship, but then Packertim didn't tell me which ship lockwood was on.
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packertim
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Aquarius, Don't worry. Everybody knows that I conceded. It was an excellent game in which I made some stupid mistakes in the beginning.
There are two good examples why I do not deserve to win. I had two damages on the Iowa before I knew she gad been fired upon. And when he said he crippled the St. Lo by a shot from the Rodney, anyone paying attention would have realized this was not possible. You can vital a ship or you can cause a damage but you can't cripple. But he says I won because of that. If we went back through every game, there are probably many such mistakes (probably none as catchable as this.)
I say that I have conceded and left the match to him. I believe he will have more of a chance to be competitive in the next round.
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Richter von Manthofen
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I think we both did some - err stupid - things - in the heat of the battle
Actually it was one of the best games of WAS I played in (Admirals certainly enhance the game)
If I have the opportunity to play against him again - happily.
But as he feels he had not deserved victory, I do feel the same _ I have not deserved it - AND making tactical mistakes is one thing, breaking the rules as I did (I did it not on purpose) another, so following the rules - technically HE did win.
if it was possible I'd say we combine forces
funny thing when both sides don't want to win
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DaJudge
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I remember reading that you couldn't have your Admiral somewhere and thought it might have been a submarine but it was AIRCRAFT that he couldn't be placed on.
Anyway....
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