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Holofernes
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Noob question on fightersSorry, this has probably been asked/before - I perused the forums and FAQ and didn't see what I was looking for exactly, so I wanted a definitive answer from an old salt to give my rules-lawyering old guy group...
Given the below, what's the answer to the question in red?
C. Air Mission Phase
• Aircraft assigned to strafing missions [on surface units] must be indicated as such during this phase.
D. Air Defense Phase
- Use your units’ Antiair attacks to attack enemy Aircraft occupying [the same] sectors.
(can a previously assigned 'strafer' use its AA value against other Aircraft at this time, and if it does, can it still strafe later?)
E. Air Attack Phase
Aircraft can make Gunnery attacks against Ships [now] only if they were committed to a Strafing mission during the previous Air Mission phase.
• An Aircraft that wasn't previously designated as Strafing can't use its Gunnery value in the Air Attack phase.
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Thanks in advance. : )
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wilt57
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During the Air Mission Phase you must declare whether an aircraft with a gunnery value is strafing or not. If it is strafing, it takes a -2 to armor and vital armor during the Air Defense Phase. A strafing aircraft cannot use an antiaircraft attack during the Air Defense Phase. During the Air Attack Phase only aircraft that were placed as strafers during the Air Mission Phase may use their gunnery attack against surface units.
So no, strafers cannot use their AA attack.
wilt57
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Aquarius
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I don't know about that, wilt57.
It only says that planes must be declared as Strafing during the Air Mission phase. It also says that you can only make a gunnery attack if you are strafing. I suppose that, if you really wanted to, you could declare a fighter as strafing, suffer the -2 armor / vital armor during the air defense phase, make an Antiair attack, and then not strafe, because planes can only make one attack per turn. It'd be kind of stupid, but you could do it.
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Holofernes
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Makes sense, thanks!
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Duck Crusader
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Wow, THAT's a piece of rules lawyering.
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swarbs
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I agree with Aquarius. You suffer the penalty, but you can attack a fighter if you wish. I don't remember a ruling on this, however, it's not a horrible question to ask. It is similar, in some ways, to the 'mission selection' ruling that just because an aircraft is declared one thing, doesn't mean it can't use the type of attack that goes with its 'other' unit type. In the same way, the rules as written limit you (with the armor penalty) but do not exclude you, so you can go ahead and use it.
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defender390
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| swarbs wrote: | | I agree with Aquarius. You suffer the penalty, but you can attack a fighter if you wish. I don't remember a ruling on this, however, it's not a horrible question to ask. It is similar, in some ways, to the 'mission selection' ruling that just because an aircraft is declared one thing, doesn't mean it can't use the type of attack that goes with its 'other' unit type. In the same way, the rules as written limit you (with the armor penalty) but do not exclude you, so you can go ahead and use it. |
At one time, they did play around with a rule stating you could not make an Antiair attack if you were strafing, however, it was removed from the final version. I believe the final decision was a reflection of the aircraft's natural ability to "defend" itself or other friendlies in the Air Defense phase.
Since the restriction is not in the official rules or clarification as swarbs stated (unlike Escort which they did keep as a rule), the Antiair attack is explicitly permitted in the Air Defense phase.
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Aquarius
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| Duck Crusader wrote: | | Wow, THAT's a piece of rules lawyering. |
Why thank you, good sir.
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