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Heavygear

Me 155 (Done)

Well you have decided, only Me 155 for GZ is worth to continue with

I don't know if they are worth a card, here are their history and stats for you to decide:

(Btw How about He 115? Rolling Eyes )

Arado AR 195 Torpedo Bomber

Designation: Arado Ar 195
Classification Type: Torpedo Bomber
Contractor: Arado Flugzeugwerke - Germany
Country of Origin: Nazi Germany
Production Totals: 3

The Arado Ar 195 was prototype design intended for operations from Germany's first aircraft carrier known as the Graf Zeppelin. The aircraft was developed to a requirement for a carrier-based torpedo bomber, to which some three total prototypes are produced, only to have the system under perform. As such, the Ar 195's development was short-lived and passed on in favor of the Fieseler-designed Fi 167 system.

The Ar 195 was based on an earlier Arado design in the form of the Ar 95. Major differences between the two systems centered mainly on making the Ar 195 useful in carrier operations, in particular, fielding the system with a tail arrestor hook and other carrier friendly equipment. The Ar 195 featured a single BMW brand 819 horsepower radial engine at front. Wings were of a biplane design, straddling either side of the enclosed cockpit, to which a pilot and rear gunner were situated. Landing gears were fixed and a single vertical tail surface adorned the rear. Armament consisted of a single 7.92mm machine gun in a forward fixed firing position for the pilot and an additional 7.92mm machine gun in a trainable flexible rear gun mount. The aircraft's real bread and butter armament was to feature a single bomb or torpedo in an underfuselage rail mount.

Though the Ar 195 prototype was flying by 1937, the system was not a success. Similarly, the German aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin made it out of port, becoming Germany's only carrier of World War 2. The system - like the Ar 195 itself - would never see combat.

Specifications for the Arado Ar 195

Dimensions:
Length: 34.45ft (10.5m)
Width: 41.01ft (12.50m)
Height: 11.81ft (3.60m)

Performance:
Maximum Speed: 175mph (282kmh; 152kts)
Maximum Range: 404miles (650km)
Rate-of-Climb: 0ft/min (0m/min)
Service Ceiling: 19,685ft (6,000m; 3.7miles)

Armament:
1 x 7.92mm MG17 machine gun in fixed forwared firing position
1 x 7.92mm MG17 machine gun in flexible rear cockpit mount.
1 x torpedo OR bomb under fuselage

Structure:
Accommodation: 2
Hardpoints: 1
Empty Weight:5,247lbs (2,380kg)
Maximum Take-Off Weight:8,256lbs (3,745kg)

Powerplant:
Engine(s): 1 x BMW 132 M radial engine delivering 819hp.

Arado AR 197 Fighter

Designation: Arado Ar 197
Classification Type: Fighter
Contractor: Arado Flugzeugwerke - Germany
Country of Origin: Nazi Germany
Production Totals: 3

The Ar 197 had its origin in the requirement for a fighter capable of operating from the planned (but never completed) German aircraft carriers Graf Zeppelin and Peter Strasser. The Ar 68H had been the first Arado aircraft to have a fully-enclosed cockpit, and was selected as a base design for the Arado Ar 197.

The first prototype of the Ar 197, the V1, was based on the Ar 68H and featured a fully-enclosed cockpit, Daimler-Benz DB 600A inline engine, and three-blade propeller, but was not fitted for naval operations. The second prototype, the Ar 197 V2, was similar to the V1, but was powered by a BMW 132Dc radial engine, and was fitted with naval equipment including an arrester hook and catapult spools. Both the Ar 197 V1 and V2 flew in the spring of 1937. In the summer of 1937 a third prototype, the V3, was built. Powered by a more powerful BMW radial engine and was the first prototype fitted with weapons, the Ar 197 V3 was armed with two 7.92 mm (.312 in) machine guns and one 20 mm cannon. The V3 was also fitted with racks under the fuselage which could carry four 50 kg (110 lb) bombs, an auxiliary fuel tank, or a smoke-laying canister.

Specifications for the Arado Ar 197

General characteristics
   * Crew: 1 (pilot)
   * Length: 9.2 m (30 ft 2¼ in)
   * Wingspan: 11 m (37 ft 8¼ in)
   * Height: 3.6 m (11 ft 9¾ in)
   * Wing area: 37.8 m² (299.13 ft²)
   * Empty weight: 1,840 kg (4,057 lb)
   * Loaded weight: 2,475 kg (5,457 lb)

Performance
   * Maximum speed: 400 km/h (248 mph)
   * Range: 659 km (432 miles)
   * Service ceiling: 8,600 m (26,213 ft)

Armament
   * 2 × 7.92 mm (0.312 in) MG 15 machine guns and 1 × 20 mm MG FF cannon.
   * Up to 4 × 50 kg (110 lb) bombs.

Me 155 Fighter

Designation: Me 155
Classification Type: Fighter
Country of Origin: Nazi Germany
Production Totals: 1 (modified BF109G as prototype)

Me 155 was a company proposal for a carrier-based single-seat fighter. The Me 155 was intended to be based aboard the aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin, then under construction. In the interest of economy and simplicity, the Me 155 was to use as many Messerschmitt Bf 109 components as possible, being basically a navalized version of the earlier Messerschmitt fighter.

The Me 155 was to be powered by a DB 605A-1 liquid-cooled engine of 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW). The fuselage was more-or-less that of the standard Bf 109G, but with an entirely new wing. The undercarriage retracted inwards into wing wells, providing the wider track required for safe carrier landings. Standard naval equipment such as folding wings, catapult spools, and arrester gear were to be fitted. Proposed armament was an engine mounted 20 mm MG 151 cannon and two 20 mm MG 151 cannons and two 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns in wings. It had an estimated maximum speed of 649 km/h (403 mph).

Detail design of the Me 155 was complete by Sept 1942. However, the numerous delays in the Graf Zeppelin seemed to indicate that the completion of the carrier would be at least two years away. Messerschmitt was told to shelve the Me 155 project for the indefinite future. Work on the Graf Zeppelin carrier was eventually abandoned.

In order that all of that work on the Me 155 project not go entirely to waste, Messerschmitt adapted its design in November 1942 to match a Luftwaffe requirement for a fast single seat bomber. A single 1,000 kg (2,210 lb) SC 1000 bomb was to be carried. All of the carrier equipment and most of the armament was removed from the aircraft. Additional fuel tanks were provided and an elongated, non-retractable tailwheel was added to provide ground clearance for the large bomb. The proposal was designated Me 155A.

Specifications for the Me 155

General characteristics
   * Crew: one
   * Powerplant: 1× DB 605A-1 liquid-cooled engine of 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)

Performance
   * Maximum speed: 649 km/h (403 mph)

Armament
   * 3 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons
   * 2 x 13 mm MG 131
Asbestos

Personally don't like the idea of using planes that were rejected. Since most of the Me 155 work was just making a 109 that was more appropriate for carrier use (larger wheel base, etc) rather than making a plane that would outperform the 109, what would you suggest the difference would be between it and the fighter we have?
chesty

No offense, but I think I'd rather stick to the Fi-167 and the Bf-109 that we already have.  Thanks for posting the data, Heavygear.   Very Happy
Asbestos

chesty wrote:
No offense, but I think I'd rather stick to the Fi-167 and the Bf-109 that we already have.  Thanks for posting the data, Heavygear.   Very Happy

We did make a custom card for the proposed Ju 87E, the Ju 87 variant that was prototyped (modified D) and slated to be the db/tb on GZ after they restarted work on her and found the Fi 167 wanting. This was also a way to make a torpedo carrying Ju 87, which is what the 87C (technically what we're using if its flying off GZ) was capable of.

I've thought about the Me 155 before, but I could never think of any way to differentiate it since it was just a better navalized version of the 109 more than a new type of plane. Possibly a Bf 109 with CAP instead of Interceptor? That's all I've got.

Edit: The odd looking BV 155 is not the Me 155 that was going to fly off GZ, btw. The plane was in development for so long and changed so many times that the initial carrier based design bore little resemblance to the later high-altitude interceptor design.

Pics to prove it:
Bf 109E (what the T was a variation of)


Me 155A (this is closest to the original CV design, before they started seriously reworking the wings/airframe for new, non-carrier based specs, note the tailhook)


Me 155B


BV 155B (the one that you can find CGI pics of/model kits for)
Asbestos

The Arado designs were pretty behind the times anyway, probably why they didn't go with them:

Ar 197:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ar197.html



Ar 195 (so ugly)
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ar195.html

Heavygear

In my opinion the only model which would have been worth of attention was the Me 155 as the 109T evolution.

It was not a rejected plane but a needed evolution as 109T was becoming outdated but it was postponed as the graf completion was reported again in 1942

But as it's a bigger "what if" than 109T and we can wait to see if this card is really needed.

109T is the equal of a 109E3 navalized
155 was to be an equivalent of a 109G4 with a different wing and more firepower

109T
560 kph
2 x 7,9 mm MG 17 (above the engine)
2 x 20 mm MG-FF (one in each wing)

155
649 kph
3 x 20 mm MG151 (one in each wing plus one in nose)
2 x 13 mm MG131 (one in each wing)
I lack the reference other references for these last 2 MG

Which is quite a difference (think of the difference between Wildcat and Hellcat)
Asbestos

Heavygear wrote:
In my opinion the only model which would have been worth of attention was the Me 155 as the 109T evolution.

True, it was a navalized 109 'done right'.
Quote:

It was not a rejected plane but a needed evolution as 109T was becoming outdated but it was postponed as the graf completion was reported again in 1942

I was referring to those ugly Arados when I mentioned rejected planes. Looking back I realize I wasn't that clear.


Quote:

109T is the equal of a 109E3 navalized
155 was to be an equivalent of a 109G4 with a different wing and more firepower

Also true. Well, it had the same firepower as the G. The potential problem here is that the WAS Bf 109 is often seen as overstatted or not statted as the E model.

One possible solution would be to see if we could create a card for the G (though, given how the 109 is currently statted I'm not sure where we'd go) and go from there (or just use that card as the Me 155, I'm not sure that the raw stats would change because of it having a wider track landing gear)

Or, if we decide the 109 we have is 'overstatted' then I'd just drop Interceptor and add on a more carrier fighter appropriate SA like Defend the Flattop or CAP.

Edit: The changes would be so minor at this scale that a 109 mini could proxy for a 155
Asbestos

Anyway, for the purposes of WAS:

The Ar 197 looks like a heavier and slower Gloster Gladiator with better armament. I'd drop 'Great Agility' and bump up the MG to at least 2, possibly 3 (2x20mm + 2xMG 17s) And also drop 'Determined Defender' as that is an historically based SA.


For the Ar 195 I'd make it as the Fi 167, but drop the armor to 3 to represent its lower speed and poorer flight characteristics.

Me 155 depends on what a G model 109 would look like.
Heavygear

Asbestos wrote:

Or, if we decide the 109 we have is 'overstatted' then I'd just drop Interceptor and add on a more carrier fighter appropriate SA like Defend the Flattop or CAP.

Edit: The changes would be so minor at this scale that a 109 mini could proxy for a 155


The main difference in armament between 109G4 and Me 155 is the first has 2*20mm and 2*7,92mm the later has at least 3*20mm

The actual 109 mini would do fuselage is the very same and the wing change is irrelevant as you say at this scale.

So for Me 155, I was thinking about "planned unit" with the same stats as the existing 109 card but adding "advanced fighter 1" and "CAP" SAs in place of "interceptor" SA and raising the cost to 9 points.
Asbestos

Sorry, I was including often used wing pods as 'standard' when considering the Gs armament. The wing mounted 20s were built in on the Me155.

Bumping AA to 8 would make more sense to me than adding Advanced Fighter (if the E should be AA7 that is)

Edit: My current interpretation

6/9/1
AA8
MG3 (4x20mms might be the MG 4 cutoff)

Escort
CAP

Points, 8 or 9? Loses Advanced Fighter and 1 point of armor to the Hellcat, but armor is less important for fighters than bombers.
Asbestos

Oh, and most importantly, can you find a picture?
Heavygear

There are no existing pics of the modified 109G4 that they use best we have are kit images.

But here http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/me155.htm

You can see that the carried Me 155 is so close in design to a 109G that I suggest to use a flying 109G4 as pic or the kit pics here but it would be a lot less sexy

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/luft/wantame155.htm
Heavygear

Just for day dreaming (an they are completely what if compared to Me 155). here are some CV based fighter projects that never go further than scketching board

CV Based Fighters Enjoy

Me-262T1 Seeschwalbe
http://www.luft46.com/profiles/m262t-1.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/profiles/m262t-2.jpg
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...many/7-Aeronaval/Me-262T-1/p1.jpg
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...many/7-Aeronaval/Me-262T-1/p2.jpg

Fw P250-T
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...ny/7-Aeronaval/Fw-P250-T/Left.jpg
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...any/7-Aeronaval/Fw-P250-T/Top.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/profiles/f250t-1.jpg

Fw PTL-8 Turboprop
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...any/7-Aeronaval/Fw-PTL-8/Left.jpg
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...many/7-Aeronaval/Fw-PTL-8/Top.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/profiles/fptl-1.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/profiles/fptl-2.jpg

P1078A
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...many/7-Aeronaval/He-P1078A/p1.jpg
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Ima...many/7-Aeronaval/He-P1078A/p2.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/profiles/h1078a-1.jpg
http://www.luft46.com/ghart/gh078-1.jpg
Asbestos

Good ol' Luft46


Edit: I had actually contacted several Deviant Art users (yeah, I have an account there, so what?) that have 'what if' airplane pics. One guy got back to me, saying he was interested in the Me 155, but he doesn't have the time right now. I personally know an artist that I've commissioned stuff from before, but nothing this... technical? I think that's the word I'm looking for.
Asbestos

Oof, that's the best I can do with the mousepad and not wanting to tweak it forever.

Heavygear

Asbestos wrote:
Oof, that's the best I can do with the mousepad and not wanting to tweak it forever.



Not bad

here's what I found kit pics of Me 155
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/100_5710.jpg
http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/100_5713.jpg
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/whif/images/me155-01.JPG

kit pics of Me 155B
http://www.456fis.org/MESSERSCHMITT/wantame155a%5B1%5D.jpg
http://www.456fis.org/MESSERSCHMITT/wantame155b%5B1%5D.jpg


Pic of a BV155V1 (real)
http://www.wordiq.com/knowledge/images/thumb/e/e7/300px-BV_155V1.jpg

As it was very similar to it may be we can take a Me109G pic from distance?
dracos42

The Me-155A could be made as a land-based fighter bomber.  Have the armor and vital armor be one higher than the Ju-87's, with a lower bomb value.  The plane gets an AA value too.  I'm looking at the Me-155A as like the RE-2001 CB
David-in-Sydney

G'day all,

I'll just put my moderator hat on..
<hat on>
(second time for me)

Please split this thread into a seperate thread per proposal.

That way we can discuss each on it's merits fully and not get confused or miss important posts etc...

Also please pick only 2 to start your discussion of.. I know how frustrating that can be..
but it is there to allow every-one some opportunity to propose units and get design attention.
(exceptions have happened for similar class units - eg Hunts.. but in general it is preferable)

<Hat off>

I'm really excited by the proposals and want to discuss them all... but please no more than two at a time..
Heavygear

David-in-Sydney wrote:
G'day all,

I'll just put my moderator hat on..
<hat on>
(second time for me)

Please split this thread into a seperate thread per proposal.

That way we can discuss each on it's merits fully and not get confused or miss important posts etc...

Also please pick only 2 to start your discussion of.. I know how frustrating that can be..
but it is there to allow every-one some opportunity to propose units and get design attention.
(exceptions have happened for similar class units - eg Hunts.. but in general it is preferable)

<Hat off>

I'm really excited by the proposals and want to discuss them all... but please no more than two at a time..


This thread is only for Me 155 since a while now, I'm changing thread title right now
Heavygear

Coming back to Me 155 stats carrier based version for work (Not Me 155A or B high altitude fighters)

Except for wings differences the Me 155 is very similar to Me 109G4 (same fuselage)

Me 155 Fighter

Designation: Me 155
Classification Type: Fighter
Country of Origin: Nazi Germany
Production Totals: 1 (modified BF109G as prototype)

Specifications for the Me 155

General characteristics
  * Crew: one
  * Powerplant: 1× DB 605A-1 liquid-cooled engine of 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)

Performance
  * Maximum speed: 649 km/h (403 mph)

Armament
  * 3 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons
  * 2 x 13 mm MG 131

(an engine mounted 20 mm MG 151 cannon and two 20 mm MG 151 cannons and two 13 mm (.51 in))
Admiral Graf Spee

ooh, the Seeschwalbe.  So there WAS at least some consideration of creating a shipborne ME 262.  Very interesting.  *tries to remind himself that the card for the conventional ME262 isn't even made yet and starting a thread for this what-if jet would give some people a heart attack*
Asbestos

Admiral Graf Spee wrote:
ooh, the Seeschwalbe.  So there WAS at least some consideration of creating a shipborne ME 262.  Very interesting.  *tries to remind himself that the card for the conventional ME262 isn't even made yet and starting a thread for this what-if jet would give some people a heart attack*

Sorry man, I'm pretty sure its pure fantasy (like the rest of the 'carrier' planes he linked from Luft 46)
Heavygear

Asbestos wrote:
Admiral Graf Spee wrote:
ooh, the Seeschwalbe.  So there WAS at least some consideration of creating a shipborne ME 262.  Very interesting.  *tries to remind himself that the card for the conventional ME262 isn't even made yet and starting a thread for this what-if jet would give some people a heart attack*

Sorry man, I'm pretty sure its pure fantasy (like the rest of the 'carrier' planes he linked from Luft 46)


Well the navalized version is most likely a fantasy, it was just showed here for pleasure.

But we're here for the Me 155 carrier based project. Comments gentlemans?
David-in-Sydney

G'day all,

I believe that Asbestos version is a good point to work out any kinks with:

Me155, German Fighter, 194?
Speed: ?
AA 8
MG 3
Armor 6/ Vital 9/ Hull 1

SA: Escort
SA: CAP

Points: 8 or 9?

I agree that 4x20mms might be the MG 4 cutoff

I agree that for points it loses Advanced Fighter (2)and 1 point of armor to the Hellcat, but armor is less important for fighters than bombers.
I would say that the loss of advanced fighter (2) is
worth at least 1 point less, possibly even two less since the 1 less armour does impede the use of the Me155's MG... and comparing to the W@S Bf 109 which is 7 points - 8 points to me would be reasonable.

comments?
David-in-Sydney

Speed?

using:
Specifications for the Me 155

General characteristics
  * Crew: one
  * Powerplant: 1× DB 605A-1 liquid-cooled engine of 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)

Performance
  * Maximum speed: 649 km/h (403 mph)
-------------

It would be useful to know at what altitude etc the above speed was at (and if the aircraft was "combat loaded" when it made that speed):

From the design guidelines that would be:
(at 4 km altitude)
Speed 24 -> 667 km/h
Speed 23 -> 639 km/h
Speed 22 -> 611 km/h

Speed 23!

Comments?
Asbestos

Looking at Bf 109s with similar engines I agree with Speed 23.
Otto von Starkburg

After taking a view on the pisted modells and the drawings, i cant see where the 155 should have four 20mm guns neither three and two 13mm guns.

There are three spots for the guns - one through the engine and two in the wing roots. That makes sense, because the landing gear is different two the G-version. The cooler looks quite different to the G, so there is no space for the 13mm guns above the engine.
Heavygear

Otto von Starkburg wrote:
After taking a view on the pisted modells and the drawings, i cant see where the 155 should have four 20mm guns neither three and two 13mm guns.

There are three spots for the guns - one through the engine and two in the wing roots. That makes sense, because the landing gear is different two the G-version. The cooler looks quite different to the G, so there is no space for the 13mm guns above the engine.


Attention! Do not mistake Me155 did not had the cooler you speak of that was Me155A and B high altitude fighters check this profile of a GZ Me155
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/Images/01-me155a.jpg
and armament was to be:
3 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons (1 in nose (fan coaxial as 109G) and 1 in each wing) on those 3 I'm categoric as I found references of them in several books.
and 2 x 13 mm MG 131 (in nose as 109G)

Remember that the only prototype of Me155 (even if it didn't fly) was based on a 109G1 with a modified wing

David in Sydney 4 x 20mm quote, is to stress what is needed to get MG 4. So as Me155 has only 3 x20mm Cannons it cannot get MG 4 but only MG 3

Me155, German Fighter, 1943 (Planned)
Cost 8? or 9? (please Mr Raevski  Very Happy )
Speed: 23
AA 8
MG 3
Armor 6/ Vital 9/ Hull 1

SA: Escort
SA: CAP
David-in-Sydney

Thinking a bit more about this aircraft..

If it is in effect a BF 109G (navalised)..

Then...

What are the arguments for and against:

AA9
(as opposed to the current proposed 8).

Noting that at AA9 we would probably be looking at a point cost of 10 (compared to Hellcat that has AA8 + AF(+2))
Heavygear

David-in-Sydney wrote:
Thinking a bit more about this aircraft..

If it is in effect a BF 109G (navalised)..

Then...

What are the arguments for and against:

AA9
(as opposed to the current proposed 8).

Noting that at AA9 we would probably be looking at a point cost of 10 (compared to Hellcat that has AA8 + AF(+2))


Agree on that AA9 would raise the cost to 10
Anrack Fett

bump

I'm not sure if this deserves AA 9 or not...  I mean, it would get 10 AA if it was based off of GZ!!!
Heavygear

Anrack Fett wrote:
bump

I'm not sure if this deserves AA 9 or not...  I mean, it would get 10 AA if it was based off of GZ!!!


Then I would point out that some US plane have AA 10 and 11 with their carrier bonuses
Asbestos

Heavygear wrote:
Anrack Fett wrote:
bump

I'm not sure if this deserves AA 9 or not...  I mean, it would get 10 AA if it was based off of GZ!!!


Then I would point out that some US plane have AA 10 and 11 with their carrier bonuses


Only if Yorktown is in play or they're shooting at fighters (which isn't that useful)
Heavygear

Asbestos wrote:
Heavygear wrote:
Anrack Fett wrote:
bump

I'm not sure if this deserves AA 9 or not...  I mean, it would get 10 AA if it was based off of GZ!!!


Then I would point out that some US plane have AA 10 and 11 with their carrier bonuses


Only if Yorktown is in play or they're shooting at fighters (which isn't that useful)


Sure but the actual proposal is:

Me155, German Fighter, 1943 (Planned)
Cost 8? or 9? (please Mr Raevski  Very Happy )
Speed: 23
AA 8
MG 3
Armor 6/ Vital 9/ Hull 1

SA: Escort
SA: CAP
Asbestos

That I am fine with.
Anrack Fett

As am I...
Asbestos

Heavygear wrote:

Me155, German Fighter, 1943 (Planned)
Cost 8? or 9? (please Mr Raevski  Very Happy )
Speed: 23
AA 8
MG 3
Armor 6/ Vital 9/ Hull 1

SA: Escort
SA: CAP


I'll change the title to 'Ready for Points' then if there are no objections.


Edit: DiS asked for arguments for and against AA 9...

Well, for one, this can benefit from 'Expert' SAs, I imagine that a 109 with AA 9 would have 'Land-Fighter'.  Also, I have no clue how the new wing design would alter performance, so I just played it on the safe side.
Heavygear

Ready for points then.
Heavygear

I bump the subject up as we were at costing on this one

Me155, German Fighter, 1943 (Planned)
Cost 8? or 9?
Speed: 23
AA 8
MG 3
Armor 6/ Vital 9/ Hull 1

SA: Escort
SA: CAP
RAEVSKI

8 ready for card
Heavygear

Pics for the card:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/family/Images/01-me155a.jpg
http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/luft/wantame155a.jpg
http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis/luft/wantame155e.jpg
http://www.456fis.org/MESSERSCHMITT/wantame155b%5B1%5D.jpg
Piper

I can do this one.  Expect it by friday.
Asbestos

This isn't the exact model we're looking for, but does this picture work for people?

Piper

Asbestos wrote:
This isn't the exact model we're looking for, but does this picture work for people?


The tail looks like a 190.
Asbestos

The horizontal stabilizer is located lower on a 190.



It looks like a 109 tail to me.

Piper

Sorry, vertical stabilizer. Smile

But didn't they all.
Heavygear

Asbestos wrote:
This isn't the exact model we're looking for, but does this picture work for people?



Close enough to be mistaken for it
NeuralDream

By Piper:

Piper

Oops, I didn't bold escort.  I'll go back and put that on there, along with postin the color photo on the card.
Asbestos

I'll edit it into the deck as soon as that's done.
Piper

Asbestos

Looking good.
Heavygear

Nice, fine with me
Heavygear

Just need your final check for lock and load guys
Asbestos

Looks fine to me. Piper, you can go ahead and add this.
Piper

Locked 'N Loaded.
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