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NeuralDream

Club Vichy France HQ (National Club)



    Our special rules:
    We cannot play in any alliance. We don't trust anyone Laughing
    Both Allies and Axis are our enemies.

    Our units:
    We use all available French aircraft.

D.520
V-156F Vindicator
Late 298 (*TP/TN*)[/b]
Breguet  Br 810 (*TP/TN*)
MB 152 (*TP/TN*)
CAMS 141 (*TP/TN*)
Loire 130 (Forumini Navies)
Potez 631 (Forumini Navies)
MB 175 (Forumini Navies)
LN 401 (Forumini Navies)
MS406 (Forumini Navies)
Arsenal VG-33 (Forumini Navies)

    We use only ships that were attacked or scuttled in November 1942 and have a reason to return from November 1942 to take their revenge pirate:

Algérie - Escorted the hastily repaired Provence back to Toulon after the 1940 Mers-el-Kébir British attack. Scuttled In Toulon on 27 Nov. 1942.
Jean Bart - Attacked by USS Massachussets and aircraft from USS Ranger (13 Nov. 1942). Opened fire against USS Augusta, but was soon forced to be run aground.
Dunkerque - Heavily damaged in Mers-El-Kebir. Scuttled in Toulon
Strasbourg - Escaped serious damage in Mers-El-Kebit, but was scuttled in Toulon
Provence - Scuttled in Toulon
*TP/TN* Commandant Teste - Scuttled in Toulon.
Le Terrible - Heroically exited the Mers-El-Kebir harbour and attacked British ships before being ordered to return and escort Strasbourg to Toulon.
Milan - Beached after being damaged by gunfire from USS Wilkes, USS Wichita, and USS Tuscaloosa in Casablanca (8 Nov. 1942).
*TP/TN* Le Hardi - Scuttled in Toulon.
*FN* Mogador - Scuttled in Toulon.
*FN* Volta - Scuttled in Toulon.


Additional units that can be proxied:

Use 3x Gloire or F.N. cards for: Marseillaise, Jean de Vienne, La Galissonnière
Use 1x Lamotte-Picquet or F.N. card for Primauguet
Use 3x Souffren or F.N. cards for Dupleix, Foch, Colbert
Use 3x Milan or F.N. cards for Albatros, Gerfaut and Aigle
Use 7x Casabianca or F.N. cards for Redoutable, Vengeur, Pascal, Fresnel, Achéron, Espoir, Henri Poincaré
Use 7x Le Hardi for Foudroyant, L' Adroit, Mameluk, Casque, Bison, Lansequenet, Sirocco
Use 3x Brestois for Bordelais, La Palme, Le Mars


When you join, type ClubVFN in your profile's Single Nation Club field.

Members as of 23 Feb 2012
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mnnorthstars
nrnstraswa
Rebel
NeuralDream
SrgPoofy
Bull Halsey

I hope this does well for you ND! Very Happy Good luck!
P71

Surcouf resisted as well.

Does this mean that Club FFN will have to surrender any ships that only served the Vichy?
NeuralDream

Vichy French history is pretty complex. So, I suggested Nov 1942 as the point in time the ship would have to be involved in such an incident. I think Surcouf had turned Allied by then.

As for ClubFFN, I would never ask them to change their club in any way.
SrgPoofy

Im jumping ship so to speak to join my Vichy brethren.
I have messaged my possible replacement for FFN President.
WilliamHenryHarrison

SrgPoofy wrote:
Im jumping ship so to speak to join my Vichy brethren.
I have messaged my possible replacement for FFN President.


A dark day for SrgPoofy...  Laughing
danaussie

SrgPoofy wrote:
Im jumping ship so to speak to join my Vichy brethren.
I have messaged my possible replacement for FFN President.


Really??? Shocked

...um ok, good luck Neural Dream with your proposal...

Dan
Brigman

Or, you know, you guys could combine, and allow play as either Vichy *or* FFN... just sayin', it might give the club more diversity...

But good luck to you all in any case!  No offense meant, just a suggestion. Wink
SrgPoofy

danaussie wrote:
SrgPoofy wrote:
Im jumping ship so to speak to join my Vichy brethren.
I have messaged my possible replacement for FFN President.


Really??? Shocked

...um ok, good luck Neural Dream with your proposal...

Dan


yes Dan secretly im not a big fan of what the RN and USN did to the French so ive always had a sorta anti-everyone approach Very Happy. This is a great way to express it Wink
Asbestos

I have been shopping around for a national club...
angryhydralisk

SrgPoofy wrote:
danaussie wrote:
SrgPoofy wrote:
Im jumping ship so to speak to join my Vichy brethren.
I have messaged my possible replacement for FFN President.


Really??? Shocked

...um ok, good luck Neural Dream with your proposal...

Dan


yes Dan secretly im not a big fan of what the RN and USN did to the French so ive always had a sorta anti-everyone approach Very Happy. This is a great way to express it Wink


I love that approach
danaussie

Well good luck all the same, all you Club Vichy blokes... you'll need all the luck you can get. Cool  

At the same time I hope Club Atlantic under the good providence of God... will squash Club Vichy like a bug.  Cool  Wink


On a side note:

@SrgPoofy...as if the Royal Navy would have ever allowed French shipping to fall into the hands of the Nazi's...they were given fair warning. The French would have done exactly the same thing if the situation was reversed. Very Happy

Cheers all Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan
torpman

Burn at the bottom of the sea ye cowards.  Laughing Arrrgh I'll keel hull the lot of ye  pirate I'll take to lot of ye in battle ASAP ye landlubbers  Laughing
danaussie

Thats the spirit Torpy. Laughing

......and so it begins!

Prepare to meet your justice Club Vichy.

Dan Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
SrgPoofy

danaussie wrote:
Well good luck all the same, all you Club Vichy blokes... you'll need all the luck you can get. Cool  

At the same time I hope Club Atlantic under the good providence of God... will squash Club Vichy like a bug.  Cool  Wink


On a side note:

@SrgPoofy...as if the Royal Navy would have ever allowed French shipping to fall into the hands of the Nazi's...they were given fair warning. The French would have done exactly the same thing if the situation was reversed. Very Happy

Cheers all Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Dan


We French would have made sure that the entirety of the ultimatum had been delivered specifically the part that offered the removal of the fleet to the Atlantic.

In addition we would have been more apt to accept the alliance of the British Navy(had teh roles been reversed) and would have not had so much distrust of your competence at staying out of Axis hands
danaussie

Yeah!!! ...or not. Wink  Laughing

Dan
NeuralDream

In line with the club's manifesto, there is no leader or president or any other form of hierarchy in ClubVFN. We don't trust leaders pirate.

And we are not afraid to lose battles. We are returning from the dead anyway.
Combat Wombat

ND...are you trying to say you're Outcast from the Past with an Attitude???
Crazy Cat

It is very complex.  What does this mean for ClubKMS?  Are we able to share in some of the luxury suddenly afforded by the formation of ClubVichy Exclamation  Question  Best of luck, we are very excited.

rock dj

NeuralDream

What luxury! You are our enemies too! We attack everyone and this time first taz.
danaussie

Quote:
What luxury! You are our enemies too! We attack everyone and this time first


yeah I agree. Laughing

HMS Truculent sneaks into Mers El-Kabir, moves under Dunkirque:

Rolls: (4d6)         
NeuralDream

Le Terrible is already out there depth charging ya all.

Rolls: (4d6)         
NeuralDream

Dunkerque: It's only a flesh wound.
Truculent: Crippled.
danaussie

With Club Vichy's...um...err...permission...we'll...er be leaving now so ahh thanks for the bruises and err you can keep the stool samples. Wink  Embarassed

*HMS Truculent tries to sneak away*

Dan Laughing
angryhydralisk

*Click*

Rolls: (10d6)                     
angryhydralisk

HMS Truculent sunk
danaussie

What sort of Destroyer has 10 ASW. Shocked  Shocked  Shocked

Dan Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
Bull Halsey

Avro Lancaster with Tallboy at Dunk
Rolls: (14d6)                             
must hit on a 3or more
Rolls: (1d6)   
torpman

My fantisy BC fires a salvo Rolls: (13d6)                            to your little Dunkerque
torpman

I am gonna have to say that thats more than a flesh would. I leave your rotting carcass as it blows up and let Le Terrible taste some secondaries Rolls: (5d6)           
Crazy Cat

NeuralDream wrote:
What luxury! You are our enemies too! We attack everyone and this time first taz.


Great, that's all clubkm needs, another enemy Exclamation  Laughing   Once they are up and running perhaps a few of their captains can be bribed to defect.  Maybe some stinky cheese or wine would do the trick.  Or maybe we can threaten to shell a couple of their precious monuments (Notre Dame, Arc de Triumph, etc...) Laughing

100 mile railroad gun shot  

Rolls: (2d6)     [/code]
Crazy Cat

Unless I missed it perhaps a recruiting post in the General WAS section would net you all a few more Vichy club members Exclamation  Question
nrnstraswa

Just joined the VFN.  

Avenge the Bretagne!
torpman

And HMS Hood says it ain't gonna happen Rolls: (15d6)                               
Bull Halsey

USS Iowa from range 5 at dunk
Rolls: (16d6)                                 
torps from truc at jean bart
Rolls: (4d6)         
bombs from Baracuda at jean
Rolls: (10d6)                     
Bombs from new corsair at dunk
Rolls: (9d6)                   
Admiral Graf Spee

Vichy (zombie?  undead?  or were the ships just patched up in drydock?) French Pirates?  Aye, bring it on!!!

To join in the fun:

HMS Warspite long shot at Dunkerque:  Rolls: (12d6)                         
torpman

Admiral Graf Spee wrote:
Vichy (zombie?  undead?  or were the ships just patched up in drydock?) French Pirates?  Aye, bring it on!!!

Whoa man... I am the Foumini Pirate pirate: boards [dice1d6]
sublime828

to the members of CVF:

Please feel free to join another club before the start of the National Club League Championship Season which starts on Jan. 2.  I know Club Free France could use some members.  Thanks.

sublime828
Rebel

Could I join CVFN? It seems to be my kind of club... willing to fight everyone! Very Happy Can I?

Rebel, if you are interested in joining a french club, join Club FFN.  Flakstruk would love to have some more active members.
Piper

Rebel wrote:
Could I join CVFN? It seems to be my kind of club... willing to fight everyone! Very Happy Can I?

Rebel, if you are interested in joining a french club, join Club FFN.  Flakstruk would love to have some more active members.

You should join that club.  I want some fresh blood Very Happy
Rebel

sublime? wrote:

Rebel, if you are interested in joining a french club, join Club FFN.  Flakstruk would love to have some more active members.


But then I'd have to be Allied... I'd much rather be Axis... or in this case neither. Very Happy
Brigman

I always thought combining the two into one club, which would let you guys "pinch hit" as Axis or Allied, possibly with supplemental forces depending on which, would rock.  Axis?  You get some German or Italian help (planes, subs).  Allied?  You get some Brit help (planes, etc.)...
sublime828

Rebel wrote:
Sublime? wrote:

Rebel, if you are interested in joining a french club, join Club FFN.  Flakstruk would love to have some more active members.


But then I'd have to be Allied... I'd much rather be Axis... or in this case neither. Very Happy


Club VFN was not able to make it off the ground so there really isnt a club to play for.  If you enjoy playing the french, FFN is a fine club to play for and you can play against any nation you wish (allies or axis) so you can be any side you would like.  Give it some thought.
NeuralDream

Actually, I think that at the moment we have more members than FFN (I don't think they have more than two wearing the avatar), while we have:

nrnstraswa
Rebel
myself
SrgPoofy

I updated the first page to include Strasbourg (set VI) and F.N. aircraft.

If we recruit one more, can we take part in the league or is it too late?
Flakstruk

sublime828 wrote:
Rebel wrote:
Sublime? wrote:

Rebel, if you are interested in joining a french club, join Club FFN.  Flakstruk would love to have some more active members.


But then I'd have to be Allied... I'd much rather be Axis... or in this case neither. Very Happy


Club VFN was not able to make it off the ground so there really isnt a club to play for.  If you enjoy playing the french, FFN is a fine club to play for and you can play against any nation you wish (allies or axis) so you can be any side you would like.  Give it some thought.


Which Technically Club FFN, you can declare Vichy only.
sublime828

NeuralDream wrote:
Actually, I think that at the moment we have more members than FFN (I don't think they have more than two wearing the avatar), while we have:

nrnstraswa
Rebel
myself
SrgPoofy

I updated the first page to include Strasbourg (set VI) and F.N. aircraft.

If we recruit one more, can we take part in the league or is it too late?


I mean no disrespect here, but I'm am sort of on the fence with this issue.  In the club formation guidelines, I set it up so a proposed club would have 30 days to get the 5 members it needs to become an official club (which may or may not be too small a window).  In my opinion, 30 days should be enough time for the people who navigate the clubhouse to see and join a new club if they so wish.  Without some sort of recruitment "window" so to speak, there could be a lot of not quite there yet clubs hanging around.....which I really don't want to have in the clubhouse.

My next point which I also put in the guidelines is that new clubs will form during an active season.  Club formation should be a strictly off-season activity.  It's only fair to the already established clubs not to add another club to the mix when a League Season has already started.  I understand that the club was proposed before the start of the current NCLC, but CVN did not get the necessary members needed in the recruitment window or before the start of the NCLC.

Finally, I am a little apprehensive about two French clubs in the clubhouse that will be playing basically the same fleets.  Neither FFN or CVN has been getting very much active support in the clubhouse.  Creating two French clubs (that will compete for French supporting members) just doesn't seem logical.  At this point, I really don't see the need for their to be two different clubs representing the French in the clubhouse.  Since a Club can play any nation they choose (axis or allied) there is no need to designate a Club for both Waring sides of France from WWII.

I would prefer that club FFN remain the only French Club in the Clubhouse.  Perhaps both clubs combining would be the best solution into Club France?  That is my feelings on this, I didn't intend to offend anyone here I just think the most logical move would be to go down the path I have suggested.

sub
NeuralDream

Ok, no problem. We will try again next year.

In terms of  merging with ClubFFN in the future, none of us is very keen, as they are very different. They seem to have ranks and medals, play Allies and have a leader etc.
sublime828

NeuralDream wrote:
Ok, no problem. We will try again next year.

In terms of  merging with ClubFFN in the future, none of us is very keen, as they are very different. They seem to have ranks and medals, play Allies and have a leader etc.


Very good sir.  Lets give VFN another chance once we are in the off season between the NCLC and the TCLC.
nrnstraswa

Sounds good. Maybe by next time I'll get better at the game so I can play online matches.

For now though, I'll just fly the flag and support my Vichy brethren.

For the Bretagne!
nrnstraswa

A victory for the VFN!

A small convoy battle against the Free French resulted in what at first seemed like a lost battle into a come from behind victory!

Units: VFN: 80pts (No objectives, basic convoy battle.)
Jean Bart 34pts
Commandant Teste 14pts
Arsenel VG-33 5 pts
Casabianca (x2) 18pts
Le Terrible 9pts

Units: FFN: 99pts
Dunkerque 36pts
Bearn 15 pts
D520 6pts
V-156F Vindicator (x2) 14pts
Lamotte-Picquet 12pts
Milan (x2) 8pts

Basically, the Vindicators and LP's scout plane make quick work of Teste sadly, her planes try to take a merchant or two down but are thwarted by the D520. VG-33 does it can, but is aborted quite a few times.  Vindicators also land a hit on the {locked in incomplete} Jean Bart.  

Le Terrible tries to rush in using it's High speed SA but gets cut down by Dunkerque.

Casabianca and her sister move on the Milans and behind them the merchants, but a sinister ASW roll stops one of the subs in its tracks.  

Crippled but determined, the remaining Casabianca fires a torpedo into the Dunkerque, crippling it.

Finally free of incomplete and after a few turns of getting into range, JB opens up on an exposed merchant, vitalling it. A vindicator tries to smack it, but is silenced in a burst of AA fire.

JB continues her path, even making it near Bearn. Her armor is too much for the lighter FFN ships and Dunkerque has accuracy issues.

Another merchant falls to Jean Bart, and her secondaries damage Bearn. Milan makes smoke and covers Bearn as she continues to pressure the remaining Casabianca. Another turn goes by, and now all bombers have been splashed. the VG-33 turns to straffing the merchants, but the D520 is on guard. However, the D520 misses and the VG-33 strafes the merchant, crippling it.

The VFN sub sees an opening and nails Milan, sinking it. However, it will no longer be a part of the battle due to its lack of mobility in the crippled state.

Next up, the Jean Bart finally puts an end to the crippled Dunk with its main battery.

The FFN is in full retreat, determined to get its merchants across.  Seeing no other option, the Milan opens up with her mains and torps against JB, but is shortly cut down.

LP, having lost its scout much earlier, moves to keep the Vichy ship away from Bearn and the remaining merchants.

However, miss after miss is reported and the LP is pummeled to destruction by JB.

Down to just the Bearn, JB manages to chase them. The VG-33 tries to strafe the remaining merchants, but the D520 (fresh from Poor facilities, or does PF only work when are two aircraft?)  is there again to stop it.

He action delays the JB, but it finally nails the third merchant before a few tiles before the end of the map. Victory secured for the VFN!

The FFN only gets 2 merchants off the map.

It was a fun game, and an interesting learning process on many units I haven't used before.

I thought about using the Richeleiu instead of JB, but I was concerned about not having enough units.

If I play that battle again I think I will replace the Le Terrible with another fighter, as I didn't have enough air defense.

I'm really impressed with JB's performance, I wasn't expecting it to do so well.
NeuralDream

Woohoo! No wonder we have Jean Bart as our club's avatar Wink.
Rebel

Woo Hoo! Makes me wanna do an online game and see if I can win... Sadly with my luck I'd just bring our average down. Very Happy

But wait! Since we're not an official club, then any games we play won't really count for scores, so if I do play, it will be for training! Very Happy
mnnorthstars

Is this dead, or are you still looking for a fifth member?
Bull Halsey

To be fair sub, there are "two" Atlantic based clubs. CA and CFS are basically the same. but are in two different theaters at the same.
NeuralDream

mnnorthstars wrote:
Is this dead, or are you still looking for a fifth member?
Still Smile.
sublime828

Bull Halsey wrote:
To be fair sub, there are "two" Atlantic based clubs. CA and CFS are basically the same. but are in two different theaters at the same.


Bull........CFS will dominate CA any time, any where Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil

we have the unstoppable polish navy at our disposal Very Happy

sub
sublime828

Ok guys, sorry for cold shouldering you all for so long.....but after some long thoughts and discussions on the subject of club formation, I have relaxed the club formation guidelines.

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about31966.html

So as it is, you guys are official Very Happy   ND if you could do me a favor and post your members in the VFN HQ and remember to mention that all matches using FN Cards need to be hashed out with any players when they set up their matches.  I will sticky this thread as the VFN HQ.  Other than that, welcome aboard you bloody pirates    

best of luck

sublime828 Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy
Bull Halsey

Lol Good work sub Very Happy looks like my two cents werent needed.. Lol Very Happy
mnnorthstars

What's next?
nrnstraswa

VFN is still here!  For the Bretagne!

Welcome mnnorthstars!

You can apply your tag if you want. You can find it on your profile. Single nation = ClubVFN.
sublime828

Hey ND, I need a small write up for CVFN for the Clubhouse Club Summaries Page in the Wardroom....no rush, just when you get a chance so I can get it updated with CVFN's info.  Just do a quick description of the club.  Thanks Very Happy
mnnorthstars

I've a league win to describe to you!

It was Indy Sparky of Club Imperial Japanese Navy versus mnnorthstars representing your Club Vichy France Navy.  At 75 points in 1941, this is what we brought:

Aoba 20
Murasame x2 20
Oi 17
Nagatsuki x2 18
and
Dunkerque 36
Algérie 15
Milan x 3 = 24

I set up second and went with a spread formation against no aircraft, while he kept his units together to take advantage of Aoba's and Oi's special abilities.  I played the Chase/Smoke game and set up a turn 2 where he would have to challenge all 3 objectives.  For the game he rolled 17 torpedoes and got two successes, while I took out a destroyer and Oi on turn 2, Aoba on turn 3, and mopped up on turn 4, leaving him with just a Nagatsuki after I won on points.  I got a torpedo smoke save on that crucial turn 2, and he rolled out of a destroyer being vitalled on turn 3.

Overall, positioning and initiative were really important.  I won it when I needed to and lost it when I needed to.

Is this our first club win?
Flakstruk

Congrats to Mnnorthstars on his his victory over Club FFN in the Special Event format - a really educational game
nrnstraswa

Sorry I'm late, congrats mn!
Rebel

Whoo hoo! We're getting up there... sorta!
mnnorthstars

What units did we just acquire, ND?
sublime828

mnnorthstars wrote:
What units did we just acquire, ND?



I would think that beveziers, le hardi, commandant teste, and the Late 298 will all make your lineup do to their being that they were are scuttled to prevent capture in toulan in 1942.

I don't think Alsace or Joffre meet CVF's requirments as they weren't active in any of the vichy french actions or scuttlings in 1942.
Brigman

I'd think they could claim Alsace and Joffre, as they were "fantasy" units with no actual history (so could have been used by either side).  I think that's the same criteria Club Med uses anyway...
sublime828

Brigman wrote:
I'd think they could claim Alsace and Joffre, as they were "fantasy" units with no actual history (so could have been used by either side).  I think that's the same criteria Club Med uses anyway...


The fact that they have no history is precisely why they wouldn't be available to them.  CVF follows a much stricter set of historical fleet composition guidlines than the rest of the clubs which is what sets them apart from Free French Club......otherwise we would have two French clubs basically using the same fleets.  I'm all about the inclusion of fantasy units in the game, but in this particular circumstance, they really fall outside of what their club represents.  The FFN Club will have access to them obviously.

NeuralDream wrote:
[img]We use only ships that were attacked or were scuttled in November 1942 and have a reason to return from November 1942 to take their revenge pirate:
nrnstraswa

Understood.

C. Teste will remain a staple in my builds then.  Very Happy
nrnstraswa

Happy New Year my Vichy brethren!
Flakstruk

Hello CVF.

Wikipediaing as one does I came across this,


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_La_Réunion

An interesting read which might be ground for a scenario. Any Vichy interested in working on this one with me.
mnnorthstars

We've made the General Discussion page.

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about37009.html
Flakstruk

Anyone up for a game?
SWO_Daddy

Club Vichy France, the Surcouf card from the Team Neptune deck has been released.  Based on what I've read about the ship, there was some speculation that her loyalties were Vichy, despite her officially Allied status.  Your call, but if you want to use her, here's the card:



As another note, the National League club season has been underway for about 20 days.  There are two minimums that must be met/maintained for a club to qualify for the National League Champion:  Each club must play a minimum of one game every 30 days, and complete a minimum of 10 games by the end of the 100 day event. So far, every club has gotten at least one game started accept our friends the Vichy.  I for one would hate to see you gents left out of the running.  So, if any of your members are interested, please try to get a game started in the next 10 days!

Cheers,
SWO
nrnstraswa

Thanks SWO!
Brigman

Nrn, you guys need to get a game in to qualify for the League nationals.  Any interest in a game?  Year, points, up to you...
NeuralDream

I've updated our list of units on the front page. Can you check it is correct please?
nrnstraswa

Awesome, we can use the Br. 810 as well!  Very Happy

Looks good, ND!
Flakstruk

Would you take the Montcalm for west African service? The Gloire is badly overcosted
nrnstraswa

Flakstruk wrote:
Would you take the Montcalm for west African service? The Gloire is badly overcosted


I think we could, she had a clear career in Vichy service despite missing the Scuttling of the French fleet.
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