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Club Pacific HQ (Theater Club) (Retired)

CLUB PACIFIC THEATRE HQ 2.0

WIP Revamped Clubhouse for Club Pacific

Club Pacific

Location: The Pacific Ocean. It is a tumultuous time and place... rival fleets battle for supremacy where sea power dictates victory between Japan and the United States?

About Us:

The Pacific Theatre of WWII featured the biggest and most intense fleet battles in modern history. Great air raids, battleship on battleship showdowns, epic last stands, fierce island landings, and more action then you could shake two sticks at are the features of this action-packed theatre.

Our philosophy is to encourage active participation in all club activities as well as any forumini happenings, including painting competitions, tournaments, challenges, and general participation. Above all, our member's must have the utmost in honor and sportsmanship in order to promote and grow our hobby of WWII Naval Battles.

Club Motto:



Club Fleet Rules:

TIER 1 FLEETS:
USN &
IJN


Our club represents the classic rivalry between the Imperial Japanese Navy and the United States Navy. You may play either nation in a theater club match.

The Team Poseidon, Team Neptune and Team Aegir
expansion decks are allowed in fleet builds, although it is best to confirm with your opponent.

US Fleets:
All US fleets can use any USN units with the exception of the following:

USS Ranger

The US can also use units from other nations that operated along side them in the Pacific Theater.  You may include 1 non-US unit per 50 points in your USN builds.

Examples
Leander
Australia
Nizam
Arunta
Vampire
Victorious (USS Robin)

TIER 2 FLEETS:
Australia, New Zealand, Soviet Union and United Kingdom


Non USN/Tier 2 builds can consist of any number of Tier 2 ships (Historical Class Limits) and Aircraft that performed in the Pacific Theatre.

You may field 1 USN Capitol Ship per 100 points of your build for Tier 2 builds. This needs to be agreed upon with your opponent and may be subject to year restrictions.



Membership:

Club Pacific is now accepting applications for membership. To become a member of Club Pacific, simply post in this thread or send a Private Message to Doberman
Once accepted, you will need to change your "My Theatre Club" section of your Profile to "ClubPacific", which will automatically display our Club Avatar below your personal Avatar on the left-hand side of the screen.

Club Roster 2.0
DobermanChief Operations Officer
Ayrton12
Crimso
Gman75
Grudge

Club Roster 1.0
herky80 - Club President 1.0
Vergilius - Founding Member CPO 1.0, Undersecretary of Operations, SeamanWhereabouts unknown.
Ruckdog05 - SeamanWhereabouts unknown.
jaybird - SeamanWhereabouts unknown.

Our Rankings:

New Members: Seaman
1pt: Petty Officer
5pts: Chief Petty Officer
10pts: Warrant Officer
15pts: Chief Warrant Officer
20pts: Ensign
25pts: Lieutenant Junior Grade
30pts: Lieutenant
35pts: Lieutenant Commander
40pts: Commander
45pts: Captain
50pts: Rear Admiral
75pts: Vice Admiral
100pts: Admiral

Now for the point system:
1 point for competing in a club match
1 point for participating in a painting competition
1 point for participating in a tournament
1 point for participating in any other Official Clubhouse activity
1 point for every 5 Club Match victories
5 points for winning a tournament or painting competition category
5 points for winning the most matches in the League season for Club SoPac

Additionally, points may be doled out by the Staff for special circumstances.



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Doberman

----                         CLUB PACIFIC: ALLIED FLEETS                   ----


United States Navy = Tier 1
Spoiler:


United States (USN)  

Aviation Units
NL} F4F Wildcat (Set 1) + and (Post-war)?
NL} F6F Hellcat (Set 2) + and
NL} USMC F4U Corsair (Set 4), F4U-1D Corsair (Set 6) + and and (Post-war)
NL} P-40E Warhawk (Set 5) + , , , , , , , , , SAAF, , and
NL} P-38G Lightning (Set A) +   and  
NL} SBD Dauntless (Set 1), SBD-3 Dauntless (Set B) + and
NL} SB2C Helldiver (Set 3)
NL} TBD Devastator (Set 1) and as Skua
NL} TBF Avenger (Set 2), TBF1 Avenger (Starter) + , , and
NL} B-25 Mitchell (Set 2) + , , , , and
NL} B-24D Liberator (Set 4) +  , , , , , and
NL} B-17E Flying Fortress (Set B) +  
NL} PBM-3 Mariner (Set A)
NL} PBY Catalina (Set 1), PBY Black Cat (Set 5) + , , , , , , and

Aircraft Carriers
NL} Intrepid (Set 3), Essex (Set 5), Bunker Hill (Set B) +7 "short hull" Essex class, 7 "long hull" Ticonderoga class, and 9 Ticoderoga class built after the war, +2 cancelled?
 2} Saratoga (Set 2), Lexington (Set 4)
 3} Enterprise (Set 1), Yorktown (Set 2), and Hornet (Set 6)
 1} Wasp (Set 6)

NL} Princeton (Set 1), Independence (Set A)  + 7 Independence class
NL} St. Lo (Set 1), Guadalcanal (Set 6) +48 Casablanca class and 11 Bogue class

Battleships
 1} Montana (Set 6) of 5 planned
 4} Iowa (Set 1), Missouri (Set 2) New Jersey (Set 6), and Wisconsin (Set B) (+2 planned Iowa class?)
 2} Washington (Set 1), North Carolina (Set 3)
 4} Massachusetts (Set 2) South Dakota (Set A), + Alabama, and Indiana
 3} West Virginia (Set 4) + Colorado and Maryland + Washington? (sunk pre-war)
 2} Tennessee (Set 1), California (Set 2)
 3} Mississippi (Set A) + New Mexico and Idaho
 2} Arizona (Set 3) + Pennsylvania
 2} Nevada (Set 5) + Oklahoma? (Never repaired)
 2} Texas (Set A) + New York
 2} Arkansas (Set B) + Wyoming

Cruisers
 2} Alaska (Set 3) + Guam (+ Hawaii and 3 planned Alaska class?)
NL} Baltimore (Set 1), Quincy (Set 5) +9 Baltimore class and 3 completed after the war, +1 cancelled
NL} San Francisco (Set 2), New Orleans (Set B) +5 New Orleans class
NL} Houston (Set 4) +5 Northampton class
 2} Indianapolis (Set A) + Portland
 2} Salt Lake City (Set 1) + Pensacola
NL} Cleveland (Set 2), Montpelier (Starter) +10 Cleveland class and 6 commissioned after the war, +25 planned?  (Not counting the 9 hulls converted into Princeton class Carriers)
NL} Boise (Set 1), Phoenix (Set 6) +5 Brooklyn class
NL} Atlanta (Set 1), San Diego (Set 3) +2 Atlanta class and 4 Oakland class
NL} Richmond (Set 3) +8 Omaha class and Milwaukee/ Murmansk

Destroyers
NL} Phelps (Set 3) +7 Porter class and 5 Somers class
NL} Laffey (Set 2), Allen M Sumner (Set 4) and 56 Sumner class and 83 Gearing class +9 cancelled?
NL} Fletcher (Set 1), Hoel (Set 2), Kidd (Set 3), Taylor (Starter), Johnston (Set B) and 170 Fletcher class +11 cancelled?
NL} Wainwright (Set B) +11 Sims class
NL} Gwin (Set A) +29 Benson class and 62 Gleaves class
NL} Bagley (Set 5) +7 Bagley class and 4 Gridley class
NL} Smith (Set A) +17 Mahan class
NL} Edsall (Set 6) + 133,   18,   3, and   1 Clemson class,  and   68,   23,   6,   1,   5, and   8 Wickes class
NL} Samuel B. Roberts (Set 1), John C. Butler (Set 2) +81 John C. Butler class and 22 Rudderow class

Torpedo Boats
NL} PT Boat (Set 1) +98 Higgins 78’, 118 Elco 80’, 27 Higgins 78’, 30 Elco 80’, and 5 T-21

Auxiliary Units
NL} Gunston Hall (Set 3) +7 Ashland and 13 Casa Grande class, + 4 Casa Grande class
 1} Langly (AV-3)
NL} LST (Set 6) + about 1,000 LST (2)'s, + 73,   6,   6, and   1
NL} Neosho (AO-23) +29 Cimarron class and 6 post-war
NL} American Victory (Set 6) +530 Victory Ship class
NL} Jeremiah O'Brien (Set 1) + about 2,522 Liberty class, + 7,   4,   13,   2, 12,   about 150, and   about 40

Submarines
NL} Barb (Set 1), Archerfish (Set 2) +76 Gato, 127 Balao, and 19 Tench class, + 2 Balao class
NL} Gudgeon (Set A) +11 Tambor class
NL} S-37 (Set 4) +18 "S" class and 5 "Group 1" S class

NL} Heavy Shore Battery (Set 6) Fort Drum, but representative of heavy gun emplacements.

NL} Forward Airstrip (Set A) Representative of small island airstrips.

NL} Advance Naval Base (Set B) Representative of dockyards close to the battle zone.





TIER 2 = ALLIED FLEETS: AUSTRALIA, NEATHERLANDS, NEW ZEALAND, SOVIET UNION, UNITED KINGDOM

Spoiler:


Australia (RAN)  

Aviation Units
NL} A-29 Kittyhawk (Set A) and see    P-40E Warhawk
NL} DAP Beaufort Mk. VIII (Set B) + , , and

Cruisers
 2} Australia (Set 5), Canberra (Set 1) and Shropshire, + see Kent
 3} Sydney (Set 1), Perth (Set B) and Hobart, + see Ajax and Leander

Destroyers
 3} Arunta (Set 2) + Warramunga and Bataan, + see Cossack and Haida
NL} Nizam (Starter) + Napier, Nepal, Nestor, and Norman, and see Javelin
 2} Vampire (Set A) + Vendetta, + Waterhen and Voyager?


Canada (RCN)  

Aviation Units
NL} Hudson Mk III (Set B) +  , , , and

Cruisers
 1} Uganda (Set 4) and Ontario, + see   Jamaica

Destroyers
NL} St. Laurent (Set 5) +4 C, 2 D, 1 E, 2 F, 9 D, 7 E, 7 F, and 1 E class
 2} Algonquin (Set 6) + Sioux
NL} Haida (Set 2) + Iroquois, Athabaskan, and Huron
NL} Sackville (Set 3) +115, 103, 10, 25, 4, 1, 6, and 2 Flower class

Auxiliaries
 3} Prince David (Set A) + Prince Robert and Prince Henry

Netherlands (KM)  

Aviation Units
NL} B-339 Buffalo (Set A)
NL} Do 24K-1 (Set B) and 

Cruisers
 1} DeRuyter (Set 2)
 2} Java (Set A) + Sumatra
 
Destroyers
 4} Witte De With (Set 4) +7 Admiralen class, 2 A class, and 9 A and 9 B class

Submarines
NL} K XVI (Set A) + K XIV, K XV, K XVII, and K XVIII



[New Zealand (RNZN)  

Cruisers
 2} Leander (Set 3) and Achilles, + see Ajax and Sydney
 1} Gambia (Set B)


United Kingdom (RN)  

United Kingdom (RN)  

Aviation Units
NL} Beaufighter TF Mk X (Set 2) + , , , , , and SAAF
NL} Seafire Mk III (Set A)
NL} Mosquito Mk VI (Set A) + , , and
NL} Martlet Mk II (Set 3)
NL} Sea Hurricane Mk IB (Set 1) + , , , , , , and
NL} Fulmar Mk II (Set B)
NL} Swordfish Mk II (Set 1), Swordfish Mk. I (Set 6) + and
NL} Barracuda Mk II (Set 2) + , and as Fulmar
NL} Halifax GR Mk V (Set 2) + , , , , and
NL} Short Sunderland Mk 1 (Set 4) + , , , and

Aircraft Carriers
 4} Victorious (Set 4)

Battleships
Prince of Wales (Set 3)
Repulse (Set 3)


Cruisers
Exeter (Set 1)[/b]
 

Destroyers
NL} Glowworm (Set A) +7 G, 8 H, 6 Havant, and 11 I class, + see Vasilissa Olga
NL} Javelin (Set 1) +7 J and 8 K class, Piorun, and see Nizam and Van Galen
NL} Saumarez (Set 3) +12 S/T, 14 U/V, 16 W/Z, and 32 C class, + 1 S/T and 2 S/T
NL} Cossack (Set 4) +15 Tribal class
NL} Electra (Set B) +8 E and 9 F class
NL} Swale (Set 5) +65 River class and 12, 68, 6, 1, and 2 SAN River class + 2 Ashville class


Torpedo Boats
NL} Vosper MTB (Set 6) +296 Vosper 70’ ?

Auxiliaries
NL} Manxman (Set A) + Abdiel, Apollo, Ariadne, Latona, and Welshman
NL} Halcyon (Set 6) +20 Halcyon class

Submarines
NL} Truculent (Set 1), Triton (Set B) +50 T class
NL} Upholder (Set A) +48 U class


NL} Heavy Shore Battery (Set 6) Fort Drum, but representative of heavy gun emplacements.

NL} Forward Airstrip (Set A) Representative of small island airstrips.

NL} Advance Naval Base (Set B) Representative of dockyards close to the battle zone.




IMPERIAL JAPANESE NAVY

Spoiler:



Japan (IJN)  

Aviation Units
NL} N1K1 "George" (Set 4)
NL} A7M2 "Sam" (Set A), A6M2 "Zeke (Set 1), A6M2 Kamikaze "Zero" (Set 2), A6M5 "Zeke" (Set 3), Elite A6M2 "Zero" (Set 6)
NL} A6M2-N "Rufe" (Set 5)
NL} D4Y "Judy" (Set 2)
NL} D3A "Val" (Set 1)
NL} KI-51 "Sonia" (Set B)
NL} B7A2 "Grace" (Set A)
NL} B6N "Jill" (Set 3)
NL} B5N "Kate" (Set 1), B5N2 Type 97 Attack Bomber (Set 6)
NL} Ki-67 "Peggy" (Set B)
NL} G4M "Betty" (Set 1), G4M1 "Betty" (Starter)
NL} H8K "Emily" (Set 2)

Aircraft Carriers
 1} Shinano (Set A)
 1} Akagi (Set 1)
 1} Kaga (Set 5)
 2} Shokaku (Set 1), Zuikaku (Set 2)
 1} Taihō (Set 6) +5 planned?
 1} Hiryu (Set A)
 1} Soryu (Set 3)
 3} Unryū (Set B) + Amagi and Katsuragi, Kasagi and Aso, +2 unnamed Unryū class and 9 Ikoma class (cancelled)
 2} Junyō (Set 4) + Hiyō
 1} Ryūjō (Set 6)
 3} Taiyō (Set A) + Chūyō and Unyō
 2} Shoho (Set 1) + Zuiho, and as full-deck versions of Chitose and Chiyoda?
 1} Hosho (Set A)

Battleships
 1} Tsushima (Set A)
 2} Yamato (Set 1), Musashi (Set 2), Sho-Go Yamato (Set 6) + incomplete BB #111 and planned BB #797?
 2} Nagato (Set 3) and  Mutsu (Set B)
 2} Yamashiro (Set 2), Fuso (Set 4)
 2} Ise (Set 5), Hyūga (Set A)  
 1} Tanigawa (Set B) of 6 planned (B-65 class)
 4} Kongo (Set 1), Haruna (Set 2), Kirishima (Set 5), + Hiei

Cruisers
 4} Myoko (Set 1), Nachi (Set 2), Haguro (Starter) + Ashigara
 4} Atago (Set 5), Maya (Set B) + Takao and Chōkai
 2} Aoba (Set 3) + Kinugasa
 2} Furutaka (Set A) + Kako
 4} Suzuya (Set 4), Mogami (Set 6) + Mikuma and Kumano
 2} Tone (Set 1), Chikuma (Set 4)
 2} Oi (Set 3) + Kitakami and 3 Kuma class
 3} Jintsu (Set 1), Naka (Set 6) + Sendai
NL} Nagara (Set A) + Isuzu, Yura, Natori, Kinu, and Abukuma
 4} Yahagi (Set 2), Agano (Set 4) + Noshiro and Sakawa
 1} Yubari (Set B)

Destroyers
 1} Shimakaze (Set A)
NL} Yukikaze (Set 1), Isokaze (Set 2), Hatsukaze (Set 6) +16 Kagero class, 19 Yugumo class, and 4 Akatsuki class
NL} Asagumo (Set B) +9 Asashio class
NL} Akitsuki (Set 2), Terutsuki (Starter) +10 Akizuki class
NL} Shigure (Set 3), Murasame (Set 4) +8 Shiratsuyu class and 6 Hatsuharu class
NL} Nagatsuki (Set 5) +11 Mutsuki class, 9 Kamikaze class, and 15 Minekaze class
NL} Fubuki (Set A) +23 Fubuki class
NL} Matsu (Set 4) +17 Matsu class and 14 Tachibana class, +9 cancelled?
NL} T-13 Sub Chaser (Set 1) +48 Type 13 class

Auxiliary Units
 2} Chitose (Set 5) + Chiyoda
 2} Akitsu Maru (Set B) + Nigitsu Maru
NL} T1 Landing Ship (Set 3) +20 Type 1 Landing Ships and 13 cancelled?
NL} Kinai Maru (Set 1) +5 Kinai Maru and 5 Kamikawa Maru class
NL} Iro (Set B) +6 Notoro class
NL} Daihatsu Landing Craft (Set 6) +3,228 planned?

Submarines
 2} I-400 (Set A) + I-401
NL} I-19 (Set 1), I-26 (Set 2), I-25 (Starter) +17 B1 Type Submarines
NL} RO-50 (Set 5) +17 R0-35 class (of 79 planned)


NL} Heavy Shore Battery (Set 6) Fort Drum, but representative of heavy gun emplacements.

NL} Forward Airstrip (Set A) Representative of small island airstrips.

NL} Advance Naval Base (Set B) Representative of dockyards close to the battle zone.




Doberman

----         CLUB PACIFIC OFFICERS CLUB:
                 Awards, Records,        
                  Rank and Memorabilia
  ----

This is where we will stockpile a list of member Awards, Battle & League Records along with Rank and other Memorabilia.

Make sure to PM all your Theater League games to the COO during and after Theater League Season in a short example like,

Winner : xyz force. Club Pacific
Opponent: 124 force. Club Antarctic

With a link to the game.

Working on a WWII related thumbnail Rank System.
Also will be coordinating some giveaways through League Season play.


CLUB PACIFIC RECORDS
Doberman: 1 - 1
Ayrton12: 3 - 2
Crimso :
Gman75: 0 - 3
Grudge: 2 - 0

2013 - 2014 Season Record: 6 - 6
Doberman

Japan ~ RISING SUN! - ALL IJN CARDS!

Spoiler:


Set I - War at Sea



Set II - Task Force


Set III - Flank Speed


New Starter


Set IV - Condition Zebra


Set V



Surface Action

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TEAM Poseidon
















TEAM NEPTUNE

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NEUTRAL INSTALLATIONS

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Thank you to all the forum members before and after me.

Doberman

USN ~ HOT! FIRE! - ALL USN CARDS!

Spoiler:


Set I - War at Sea




Set II - Task Force




Set III - Flank Speed





New Starter




Set IV - Condition Zebra




Set V





Set VI - Surface Action

 



TEAM POSEIDON














TEAM NEPTUNE













NEUTRAL INSTALLATIONS


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Thank you to all the forum members before and after me.

Ayrton12

Naa, no champ - just a lucky roll. And Bunyan thought that Musashi is a destroyer for two or three tuns Wink

Playing Germany for the first time in the rematch - darn those Kondors are EVIL.

How many games do we have to complete until when to get in somekind of ranking - and what happens then?`I'm clueless as always Very Happy
Admiral Woodside

I've made a signature picture for Club Pacific

G'day. mates. I've taken an early version of the original Club South Pacific flag and created an updated version which now says Club Pacific and has all 8 roundels (flags) for the Club Pacific nations. I left the original word Club as a reference to the past, but used a slightly different font for the word Pacific. I think it looks all right. It is the usual 110x60 pixel jpg. If an administrator can send me an email I can reply with the logo attached so that you can inspect it and determine whether it is good enough to use, and then put it up as a trial banner to see if it will do for now. My email is:

dale.woodside@mq.edu.au

Cheers,

Admiral Woodside
Doberman

Ayrton12 wrote:

How many games do we have to complete until when to get in somekind of ranking - and what happens then?`I'm clueless as always Very Happy


Aside from the usual "Title" for a rank, I was thinking of thumbnails to accompany ones said rank.

Thumbnails as in Medals, Memorial Plaques, scenes from the PTO etc.

What do you guys think?

I do have a plethora of minis I could donate as awards & rewards too. As life changes I'm afraid that could change though.

I will soon make an announcement for the League rewards for the end if the season as well. I will edit this post
Doberman

2013 - 2014 Theater Club Prizes.

Time to roll out some prizes.


Top performance will have 1st pick.

Every body will get to pick something from the list as long  as you have completed more than 2 games for the club this season.

CLUB PACIFIC came together rather quickly and 1 month into League Season. We appreciate all the participation and spoetmanship. I hope it carries over after the League is over and every member continues the online fun.

League Prizes.

Set V Booster
Set V Booster
Hellcat
PBY Catalina
Judy
Emily

Doberman out.
Doberman

Re: I've made a signature picture for Club Pacific

Admiral Woodside wrote:
G'day. mates. I've taken an early version of the original Club South Pacific flag and created an updated version which now says Club Pacific and has all 8 roundels (flags) for the Club Pacific nations. I left the original word Club as a reference to the past, but used a slightly different font for the word Pacific. I think it looks all right. It is the usual 110x60 pixel jpg. If an administrator can send me an email I can reply with the logo attached so that you can inspect it and determine whether it is good enough to use, and then put it up as a trial banner to see if it will do for now. My email is:

dale.woodside@mq.edu.au

Cheers,

Admiral Woodside


Dale,

Welcome back aboard!

... and thank you for jumping back in to help the club.

We can definitely use a little help with maintenance and upkeep aboard Club Pacific.

My week has been is still busy.
Business trip, high school basket ball tonight and then a big old Pacific match at the LGS tomorrow.  I hear there may even be 6 players which has been very hard to do the last 12 months.

So give me a couple days to get back to you on the relaunch of Club Pacific!
Cheers
Brandon
Admiral Woodside

ClubPacific avatar ready

Doberman:

Technically what I have for Club Pacific is called an avatar. It is the image that appears under your name in the left hand box of a posted message when you select it in your profile for your theater club. It is done and ready for you to view. It is a 110x60 jpg pic as required. It is pretty good. I am quite experienced with gimp, with like 10 years using it.

Cheers,

Admiral Woodside
Doberman

Awesome mate.

Remind me again, is gimp the freeware?

I just picked up paint for the first time in several years to do maps and other projects.

I'd love to have a look at it. PM it to me or post it here I'd you don't mind?

Thanks again for helping us out!
Admiral Woodside

Doberman wrote:
Awesome mate.

Remind me again, is gimp the freeware?

I just picked up paint for the first time in several years to do maps and other projects.

I'd love to have a look at it. PM it to me or post it here I'd you don't mind?

Thanks again for helping us out!


Yes gimp is the freeware. It is near as makes no difference the equal of Photoshop to me. I highly recommend it. Its native picture type is the png file, which has layers, where jpg do not. A simple Google will find it.

Ah well, I don't know how to attach it to a PM and I don't have a photobucket account yet to post it to this thread, but if you can just send me an email to my university email address here:

dale.woodside@mq.edu.au

then I can reply with the avatar attached in the usual way that pictures are attached to emails. I will not give out your email to anyone else, and any spamming I do will likely be to this forum.  Razz

Admiral Woodside
Admiral Woodside

I posted the Club Pacific avatar as my personal avatar

Doberman:

Well, in order to speed up the process of you and everybody else seeing the avatar I came up with by modifying the old Club South Pacific avatar, I decided to post it temporarily as my personal avatar. Look to the left of this message in the name and avatar panel to see it. To download it for use, you just right click on the avatar and save it to a folder. Anyway, if you and your club like it, then tell a moderator to make it your theater club avatar in the usual way they do these things.

I guess this makes me an honorary member of Club Pacific temporarily until I make my final choice between Club Pacific and Club Indian Ocean as my theater club. BTW I have already applied just last night to the RAAFFF special clause club to promote stealth fighters for Australia. Wait, that can't be right. This is a WW2 game.  Rolling Eyes

Let me know what you think of my version of the updated Club Pacific avatar. Surely it is better than no avatar at all. Right?

Cheers.

Admiral Woodside Wink
Doberman

I really appreciate you doing that for us.

It looks good! I would like to use it as our Avatar.

1 switch I would do is, place the rising sun at the top of the right side. She's the only nation on her side of the fight and tied for 1st in strength.

If you don't mind that one wish, I'd be very happy with the new Club Avatar.

Thanks again
Admiral Woodside

Doberman wrote:
I really appreciate you doing that for us.

It looks good! I would like to use it as our Avatar.

1 switch I would do is, place the rising sun at the top of the right side. She's the only nation on her side of the fight and tied for 1st in strength.

If you don't mind that one wish, I'd be very happy with the new Club Avatar.

Thanks again


Yeah, OK. It will take me a few minutes, perhaps 10 to get it as my new profile picture. BTW I posted a note in the CP 1.0 thread to alert all the current active members and suggested they could vote on it if they liked. But, that was just a few minutes ago, so by the time I update it they might not even have seen it yet and they might never know I changed it.  Wink

Admiral Woodside
firesdstny

Stickied the new HQ for you guys!

Just let the old one die off Smile
Admiral Woodside

Admiral Woodside wrote:
Doberman wrote:
I really appreciate you doing that for us.

It looks good! I would like to use it as our Avatar.

1 switch I would do is, place the rising sun at the top of the right side. She's the only nation on her side of the fight and tied for 1st in strength.

If you don't mind that one wish, I'd be very happy with the new Club Avatar.

Thanks again


Yeah, OK. It will take me a few minutes, perhaps 10 to get it as my new profile picture. BTW I posted a note in the CP 1.0 thread to alert all the current active members and suggested they could vote on it if they liked. But, that was just a few minutes ago, so by the time I update it they might not even have seen it yet and they might never know I changed it.  Wink

Admiral Woodside


OK. Done. Er uh, it took me 26 minutes. Well I fiddled around with the pixels a bit to clean it up a bit more. I did a circular copy of the IJN roundel to another new picture to store it, so that I could make a round copy of the UK roundel and paste over the IJN one. In the new picture where I had pasted, but crucially not anchored the new layer to the pic, I was able to copy the floating layer and paste it back into the other pic over where the UK roundel was, and then anchored that one in place as well. That's gimp for you. It can do just about anything. As I said I had to clean up the pixels because even though I managed to get the circular cut quite close to the roundels, there was some inevitable pick up of the surrounding picture which I cleaned pixel by pixel and with the smudge tool sparingly. And down at the lower bottom I cut and pasted vertical rows of pixels to give the beach effect it had before.

By coincidence, the UK roundel is now surrounded by Kiwi (i.e. New Zealand) and Kangaroo (Aussie) roundels now.

Is that to your liking now, mate?  Very Happy

Actually, it has taken me 12 minutes just to compose this info message. But I had already changed my profile when I started writing this, so you could have seen the avatar 12 minutes ago.

Admiral Woodside
Admiral Woodside

firesdstny wrote:
Stickied the new HQ for you guys!

Just let the old one die off Smile


Hey firesdstny! Good to hear from you again. Cheers from Oz, mate!

Admiral Woodside
Doberman

Have to do some research on Canada in the PTO and I think we may even part ways with the Soviets.

2nd tier would be
UK
AUSTRALIA
NETHERLANDS
NEW ZEALAND

I'm thinking it would almost look better
USN top left.      IJN top right
2nd Tier on the bottom.

hate to keep switching up everything.
firesdstny

Admiral Woodside wrote:
firesdstny wrote:
Stickied the new HQ for you guys!

Just let the old one die off Smile


Hey firesdstny! Good to hear from you again. Cheers from Oz, mate!

Admiral Woodside


What's up woodside!  Welcome back!
Admiral Woodside

Doberman wrote:
Have to do some research on Canada in the PTO and I think we may even part ways with the Soviets.

2nd tier would be
UK
AUSTRALIA
NETHERLANDS
NEW ZEALAND

I'm thinking it would almost look better
USN top left.      IJN top right
2nd Tier on the bottom.

hate to keep switching up everything.


No worries. Let me know when you decide on the Soviets and I can change it. I would rather not put roundels on the bottom in the middle though, because that would cover over the beach and jungle and it would be hard to tell at this small 110x60 pixel resolution what it all was anymore. And each time I cut something out of the picture and leave a void means I have to paint pixel by pixel, (or by smudge which looks bad), or by copy paste of a region from somewhere else. It can be done, but it is tedious. It would be fairly easy to copy the Canadian roundel over the Soviet one, thus canceling it out. Then I could just make up some sky where the Canadian one used to be which is way easier than making up jungle, beaches and trees.

In the mean time, perhaps some club members could voice an opinion on whether the avatar will be good enough, and they can use it as a personal avatar if they want for the time being while the unit rosters are getting settled.

As for Canada in the PTO, here is a good place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pacific_Fleet

Cheers.

Admiral Woodside
Admiral Woodside

firesdstny wrote:
Admiral Woodside wrote:
firesdstny wrote:
Stickied the new HQ for you guys!

Just let the old one die off Smile


Hey firesdstny! Good to hear from you again. Cheers from Oz, mate!

Admiral Woodside


What's up woodside!  Welcome back!


Thanks! Ah well, I have been modding and painting my 1/6000 and 1/4800 scale naval miniatures. It is a never ending story for the vast numbers of them which I have.  Shocked

Cheers, mate. Very Happy

Admiral Woodside
Admiral Woodside

Admiral Woodside wrote:

Quote:
As for Canada in the PTO, here is a good place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pacific_Fleet


Well, that was easy. There were only four listed in the BPF:

Quote:
Cruisers:

HMCS Ontario
HMCS Uganda

AA Escort:

HMCS Prince Robert

Destroyers:

HMCS Algonquin


Surprised there were so few listed actually. The rest, which was many many escorts, must have been doing the hard yards in the Atlantic convoys.

Cheers,

Admiral Woodside
gman75

Posting a loss to Bunyan

Winner: Bunyon (CA)
Loser: yeah it was me, gman75

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/sutra1039303.php#1039303
Admiral Woodside

Admiral Woodside wrote:

Quote:
Let me know when you decide on the Soviets and I can change it. I would rather not put roundels on the bottom in the middle though, because that would cover over the beach and jungle and it would be hard to tell at this small 110x60 pixel resolution what it all was anymore. And each time I cut something out of the picture and leave a void means I have to paint pixel by pixel, (or by smudge which looks bad), or by copy paste of a region from somewhere else. It can be done, but it is tedious. It would be fairly easy to copy the Canadian roundel over the Soviet one, thus canceling it out. Then I could just make up some sky where the Canadian one used to be which is way easier than making up jungle, beaches and trees.


OK. I did that. Canadian roundel now replaces Soviet one on the left and I created some sky to fill the place where the Canadian roundel was. It gives the IJN roundel some breathing room. Now all the Commonwealth nations are in the bottom two rows, and the Dutch is just below the USN, which seems appropriate. I'd like to leave it like this, assuming the Soviets are out.

I was looking over the CP Tier 2 nations and really none of the Tier 2 other than the UK is strong enough to field a fleet on its own. However, I think you need to keep the Canadians anyway and group them with someone else, UK perhaps, as they each have what the other lacks. Grouping the Dutch with the Aussies is a logical grouping, too. Hard to say which of these two groups need New Zealand more, and NZ on the face of it does not look that flash, but they do get the USMC and Navy Corsair if I remember my history right, so perhaps NZ could be shared between the two groups, allowing for example the USMC Corsair for the Dutch/Australian and the Navy Corsair for the UK/Canadian which would be good on HMS Victorious. So CP would have two group builds under Tier 2, namely, UK/Canadian/NZ and Dutch/Australian/NZ. That would be interesting. What do you think? Plus there would need to be the usual theater ability to purchase in this case USN units to the tune of points or capital ship numbers or whatever you decide for these two Tier two groups.

Cheers.

Admiral Woodside
Doberman

Quote:

I was looking over the CP Tier 2 nations and really none of the Tier 2 other than the UK is strong enough to field a fleet on its own.


Will be working on this adaptation with Flak as we tug along.

Kind of a WIP, but thinking ever X amount of US/RN points, Y amount of RN/US allowed.

Perhaps something along the lines of an OOB with Capitals.

The same with Air.
Doberman

gman75 wrote:
Posting a loss to Bunyan

Winner: Bunyon (CA)
Loser: yeah it was me, gman75

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/sutra1039303.php#1039303


Gman, try something larger than 100 points. You and I had some great US/SU games in the 200-300 range last year.

Give it a shot, if you have time and get a big W!
Admiral Woodside

A usable and complete Tier 2 points rules defined

Admiral Woodside wrote:

Quote:

I was looking over the CP Tier 2 nations and really none of the Tier 2 other than the UK is strong enough to field a fleet on its own.
...
So CP would have two group builds under Tier 2, namely, UK/Canadian/NZ and Dutch/Australian/NZ.


Doberman wrote:

Quote:

Kind of a WIP, but thinking ever X amount of US/RN points, Y amount of RN/US allowed.

Perhaps something along the lines of an OOB with Capitals.

The same with Air.


Sounds interesting. I must admit, I am leaning towards choosing Club Pacific as my theater club.

I was thinking of one extra Tier 2 group which one could choose that would work and a slight reduction of nations per group than my previous suggestions quoted above. Instead Club Pacific could take UK/Canada and Dutch/Australia and a new ANZAC group. By ANZAC I refer to a combined Australia and New Zealand roster. Australia and New Zealand had a history of fighting together in the trenches in WW1 in the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (ANZAC). Club Indian Ocean has an ANZAC group which includes all the Aussie and NZ units that CP has. CP could have one of those, too.

As for the point system you allude to, the build I was initially considering making, is to purchase from the USN the following four units in a 200 pt Tier 2 UK air build:

USS Lexington CV-2, 24 pts, TD 1, Flag 1, ED 1, EB 1
-plus-
three USN air units to base on Lexington

Among the air units that I was considering taking are the following:

SB2C Helldiver (14 pts)
SBD Dauntless (13 pts)
TBF Avenger (14 points)
TBF-1 Avenger (11 points)
F4U-1D Navy Corsair (14 pts)
F6F-3 Hellcat (10 pts)
F4F Wildcat (7 pts)

Anyway, in a 200 pt build that means the USN contribution could be as high as 3x14=42 pts for aircraft for the Lex plus the Lexington herself at 24 pts. Maximum for this build would be 42+24=66 pts in a 200 pt build, or 33 pts per 100 pts, or 16.5 pts per 50.

As far as unit numbers, this build would require three air units and a carrier for four units total. In a 200 pt build, that would mean 4 units per 200 pts, or 3 units per 150 pts, 2 units per 100 pts, or 1 unit per 50 pts.

To see if this is even feasible, compare with the Tier 2 unit/point buying system as used by Club Indian Ocean. CIO allows:

For USN Tier 2
Allies
United Kingdom, Australia
20 points/2 Units per 100 points

which also means 40 points/4 units per 200 pts.

For ANZAC Tier 2
Allies
United States or United Kingdom
25 points/2 Units per 100 points

which also means 50 points/4 units per 200 pts.

For a Netherlands/with_a_US_CA_and_a_UK_CA_and_an_Australian_CL Tier 2
Allies
United States and United Kingdom
25 points/2 Units per 100 points

And note that the CIO US Tier 2 is stronger to begin with, with HMS Victorious already included with the US, and the Lend Lease US aircraft are already in the list as well for an air build, so one does not even need to buy 3x US air units out of the Allies limited points if one is already satisfied with Navy Corsairs and TBF-1 Avengers. So not as many points were included per 100 pt build, just 20, instead of the 25 pts for the ANZAC Tier 2.

If this same xx points/y units per 100 pts point system were to be adopted with CP, given CP's weaker Tier 2 to begin with, I think the 25 points/2 units per 100 pts is the fair choice for the ANZAC (i.e., ANZ) group we could take here (same as CIO), and for the UK plus Canada group we could take here. But, for the Club Pacific Dutch, there is only 2x CL, 1x DD, 1x SS, and 2x aircraft, not much to begin with if it is to be a stand alone Tier 2 team. Just filling out 100 pts would require a lot of DD and SS. The CIO Dutch (Netherlands) has all the Dutch, plus 3x Allied cruisers already thrown in (reflecting the Battle of Java Sea). In order for you to even include the Dutch as a Tier 2 team here at CP, you would need to combine it with something else. My updated suggestion was a Dutch/Australia team, removing the NZ side in favor of putting that in a third group, like CIO did, the ANZAC group. For a Dutch/Australia team, again I think 25 points/2 units per 100 points should get them into a better position. So while the CIO complete Netherlands gets 3x allied cruisers and the whole Dutch fleet, CP would top up the partial Dutch with the Australians. The ANZAC group would get the NZ nation instead of the partial Dutch getting the NZ, which would be a little too much. The Dutch are more varied, but the NZ have more CL to choose from, so I think it balances out all right.

Anyway, now we return to the feasibility of getting the Lexington with three aircraft using the 25 points/2 units per 100 points system. To sum up, no we can't unless we put 2x Wildcats and 1x Hellcat on it. There is no way to get a good strike aircraft on Lexington and still get three aircraft. This is disappointing.

At this point level, what one could afford for 50 total points/4 Units in a 200 pt build is:

USS Ranger CV-4 (16 pts), AA 5, EB, Surprise Raid
-plus-
Dauntless DB (13 pts)
TBF Avenger or F4U-1D Corsair (14 pts)
F4F Wildcat (7 pts)

Total exactly 50 pts.

The Ranger is a bit weak with just 2 Armor, 8 Vital and 3 Hull, but not to worry, Club Pacific can't use Ranger anyway, being an Atlantic theater CV during WW2. Doh! The next levels up for CAP 3 carriers are as follows:

USS Wasp CV-7   (19pts), AA 7, 3A-8VA-3Hull
USS Hornet CV-8 (22pts), AA 7, 4A-10VA-4Hull
USS Yorktown CV-5 (23pts), AA 7, 4-10-4Hull
USS Lexington CV-2 (24pts), AA 7, 5-12-5Hull, TD 1

The only way I can see around this predicament is to do what other clubs have done, namely add a Lend Lease list of US aircraft to the list of UK aircraft that they can purchase with their UK points. That would allow the F4U-1D Navy Corsair and the TBF-1 Corsair to be bought with UK points, not the Allies 25 pts per 100 pts, so that any US carrier we wanted to buy could be mostly filled with the planes bought with UK points and even with the possibly of one or two buff units in the Allied points going to something like a Helldiver plus a Hellcat. Lexington + Helldiver + Hellcat = 48 pts. Or even better IMO would be Lexington + Helldiver + PBY Catalina (7pts) + P-40E Warhawk (5pts) = 50 pts exactly. Then just use some UK points to fill the carrier with Corsairs and/or TBF-1 Avengers.

OK, a long and complicated analysis has come down to this as my recommendation for Club Pacific Tier 2, which is fair and compatible with what other theater clubs have done.

1) Group into three Tier 2 groups:
  A) UK/Canadian
  B) Dutch/Australian
  C) ANZAC (i.e., Australia and New Zealand)

2) Adopt the typical point buys allowed by Club Indian Ocean for the three groups listed in point 1) for buying Allies points to supplement team A, B, or C:
  Allies
  United States and other Tier 2 nations
  25 points/2 Units per 100 points

3) Include a list of Lend Lease aircraft that can be used by the UK, (and this could apply to the other nation groups as well), as available to buy with the Tier 2 group's points, not just the limited 50 points per 200 pts.

To do this with the minimum of web editing it occurs to me that something like the following could be put just under the Tier two nation's heading on page one of this thread, right before the list of nations units, (cut and paste it word for word if you like it):


1) Any of the following three Tier 2 two-nation teams, namely UK/Canadian, Dutch/Australian, and ANZAC (i.e., Australia and New Zealand), are considered to be the Tier 2 teams that Club Pacific fields in theater club play.

2) Each of these three Club Pacific Tier 2 two-nation teams can purchase additional Allied units from the Tier 1 USN or from the other Tier 2 nations not in their team at the ratio of 25 points/2 units per 100 points, and in any point game that is proportional to this ratio, e.g., 50 points/4 units per 200 points.

3) Any Allied Lend Lease air units, most notably but not necessarily only from the USA, which a minor nation may have flown in WW2 as defined by the WAS Class Limits sticky on this website, are available to be purchased by the three Club Pacific Tier 2 two-nation teams using the Tier 2 team's main points and do not count against the additional Allied unit points that the teams can utilize.


It took me all night to compose this. It looks to be air tight. I have run all the numbers above and I think this gives Club Pacific a usable Tier 2 in one fell swoop and saves a lot of web editing/shuffling. At the moment Club Pacific has no definition of the Tier 2 point system, so even though the Tier 2 nations are displayed, as taken from the WAS Class Limits document, on page one of this thread, they are still for the moment unusable. This would give Club Pacific rules to allow Tier 2 to be played immediately. You could consider it an interim measure and massage it or change it wholesale later. I guess, if you don't have time for a web update at the moment you could even just quote the recommended points 1), 2), and 3) above in a post here and give it Presidential authorization as club policy until such time as you have time to edit page one of the thread. So if you like it you could put it into force immediately.

If you want to add an OOB purchase rule at some point, you could add it later as point 4), when you figure out how to do it. Possibly you could say something like, instead of point X) you can use this OOB rule for obtaining units.

Regards,

Admiral Woodside
gman75

Reporting a loss

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/sutra1043151.php#1043151

Winner: Bunyon (Club A)
Loser: me again, gman75
LcdrSwizzle

I would offer to ClubPac that the Dutch BC was planned for the DEI area, and as a fantasy ship, would recommend allowing her as part of a Dutch fleet.
Flakstruk

You might consider tier 2s like

ABDA, per the historical OO

TF74/ANZAC Squadron, with the option to include one of the carriers they they screened in the South Pacific

RN, RCN is trickier
Admiral Woodside

Flakstruk wrote:
You might consider tier 2s like

ABDA, per the historical OO

TF74/ANZAC Squadron, with the option to include one of the carriers they they screened in the South Pacific

RN, RCN is trickier


G'day, Flakstruk. Hmmm. ABDA sounds more like your club. I thought something different was desired. I still like the RN/RCN combo. Consider that the three groupings I suggested, namely Dutch/Australia, ANZAC, and UK/Canadia, were to be a quick, no drama, and no massive web editing solution to the club's current lack of a play balanced Tier 2. Currently, Club Pacific does not have a point scheme either. Tier 2 is governed instead by these initially taken rules as quoted from page 1 of the CP thread:

Quote:
Non USN/Tier 2 builds can consist of any number of Tier 2 ships (Historical Class Limits) and Aircraft that performed in the Pacific Theatre.

You may field 1 USN Capitol Ship per 100 points of your build for Tier 2 builds. This needs to be agreed upon with your opponent and may be subject to year restrictions.


Consider the second rule first, where in Tier 2, one could legally field a Montana (80pts, class limit 1) and a Missouri (73pts), for 153 pts in a 200 point game, leaving only 47 points from the Tier 2 roster being necessary. So I think that rule is terminally broken. As the inventor of the Tier system, I think you would agree. It is no longer Tier 2, just Tier 1 with some Tier 2 units thrown in.

As for the first rule, just allowing the whole Tier 2 roster to be used, is admittedly straightforward, but this would be a play balance issue with clubs like CIO who have several limited Tier 2 grouping of ships/nations. I am not completely against going for a theater league wide adoption of this rule BTW, as it would certainly finish the endless searching for Tier 2 nation groupings. At any rate, I think the other two recommendations I made in a previous post are quite solid, namely the 25 points/2 units per 100 pts of Tier 1 units in a Tier 2 build, and the Lend Lease aircraft not counting toward the Tier 2 points available.

Having said that we are either to choose a theater club wide adoption of all Tier 2 units for a Tier 2 game, with the above two rules on Tier 1 points and Lend Lease aircraft thrown in, or we are to decide on the many possible ship/nation groupings that may be used as sub groups of Tier 2. It is to this latter, interesting topic of discussion, I now proceed.

Your idea of a Club Pacific TF74 ANZAC with a carrier on top sounds like a good balancing to what you have in CIO where you added CAP 1 HMS Hermes, which fought in the Indian Ocean. That is an interesting idea, mate. However, any added US carrier for a CP ANZAC team would need to be equal or not much better than Hermes, an escort carrier perhaps. In looking up Task Force 74/ANZAC squadron I find a Wikipedia page on a previous "Task Force 44", which mentions it was redesignated TF74 in Mar43 and added to the US 7th fleet. Flagship of TF74 generally remained HMAS Australia.

TF44 according to Wikipedia had:

"Ships of the Force

   Heavy Cruisers USS Chicago, HMAS Australia
   Light Cruiser HMAS Hobart
   Destroyers USS Perkins, Whipple, Farragut (from 7 May 1942), Walke (from 7 May), Henley from 14 May, Helm (from 19 May), Selfridge (from 21 May), Patterson (from ???)"

A bit heavy with US ships, though.

As for TF74, your suggestion, it is not as easy to pin down the ships into one discrete group, since they varied over time as detailed in the history of HMAS Australia as seen here:

http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-06CA-Australia.htm

According to this page "Ships in TF44 included the HMAS HOBART, HMAS CANBERRA, USS CHICAGO and nine US Navy destroyers of DESDRON 4."

Then in Feb43 as TF74 it had "HMAS HOBART, HM Australian Destroyers WARRAMUNGA and ARUNTA. Deployed south of Australia as Task Group 74.3 with HMAS ADELAIDE and three US Navy destroyers". A month later in Mar43, the "USS PHOENIX and seven destroyers of DESDRON 4" were a part of the force. Later in 1943; Nov. "5th - Transferred with HMAS SHROPSHIRE , ARUNTA, WARRAMUNGA and two US Navy destroyers of TF74 from Milne Bay to reinforce South Pacific forces." So Shropshire could be added to the roster.

I could find no mention of carrier names that TF74 may have escorted, however. It is definitely a cruiser/destroyer force. Which escort carrier task force could it have come into contact with? And then why limit it to only one CVE of the task force? That is a possible problem.

The ships in TF74 would appear to be based around:

HMAS Australia CA, Flagship
HMAS Canberra CA
HMAS Shropshire CA
HMAS Hobart CL
HMAS Adelaide CL
USS Phoenix CA
(USS Chicago CA) previously in TF44
HMAS Arunta DD
HMAS Warramunga
USN DESDRON 4

I am not sure which destroyers formed USN DESDRON4, perhaps the list I gave above from Wikipedia for TF44, not sure.

Any way, the point to be decided on first is, whether all Tier 2 can be used in a game or rather some set of limited groupings, possibly open to interpretation and gaming of the system. Special nation groupings within Tier 2 could after all be left to the choice of the player on game day. Having it dictated by a list seems like too much micromanagement the more I think about it. I am leaning towards allowing all Tier 2 units being allowed in a build, while still keeping Axis and Allies separate.

Cheers all,

Admiral Woodside
Admiral Woodside

Why Tier 2 at all for Club Pacific

G'day:

So far we have been discussing essentially only Club Pacific and Club Indian Ocean. I have taken another look at the other three theater clubs again to refresh my mind on the entire context in which the theater teams operate.

As you may already know, there is another theater club which uses rule(s) on capital ships per 100 points similar to the one currently in use by Club Pacific. That would be Club Atlantic, which uses these rules:

Quote:
British fleets may use 1 US aircraft, DD, CVE per 50 pts. They may also use 1 US BB, CV, CA, CL per 100 pts


Quote:
USN builds may use UK ships as follows, 1 CL/CA/DD per 50 points, 1 CV and BB per 100 points


But, there is no distinction between a Tier 1 and a Tier 2 for that club, so it doesn't really matter whether the UK side is piling up USN BB or CV or the US side is piling up UK BB or CV. It is, as we Aussies say, a much of a muchness, i.e., a distinction with no difference. So those type of rules don't break the game when all nations are usable, i.e., as set by their clubs by historical appearance and Lend Lease, etc, in a play balancing manner.

With regards to the other issue, that of combining nation factions in order to build up separate nations into a big enough coalition to field a theater team for play, consider that Club Frozen Seas has used a "United Kingdom, Commonwealth, and Operational Allies" team, which includes Canadian, Australian, Polish, and even Dutch units (along with the usual Lend Lease aircraft). They also have a combined Germany and Finland team, and also a Soviet and Polish team (with Lend Lease US aircraft). Again, no Tier 1 and Tier 2 for CFS either. They just pile up a lot of nations, logically connected of course by history, and come up with three playable factions. Great fun for people who like to have a little variety and who like the theater.

Club Med has elements of similarity to both Club Atlantic and Club Frozen Seas. For the Italians, they appear to be complete in Italian units, obviously being in the middle of the theater!, and can only add units by the rule: "1 German unit per 50 points chosen from the list ... of German" units, which is very limited, e.g., no KM BB or CV. There are some other minor nations which you can read about, but the other important nation balancing is again between the UK/Commonwealth (which includes UK, Australian, New Zealand, and Canadian units) and the US fleet. Here Club Med devises their own play balance method of adding in units from other naval groups, as follows:

Quote:
US fleets may be used. In addition RN builds may include 1 USN unit for every 50 points.  Carriers, Battleships, and Cruisers count as two units for this purpose. Likewise USN builds may include 1 RN unit for every 50 points.  Carriers, Battleships, and Cruisers count as two units for this purpose.


This rule is worded a bit differently than the one used by Club Atlantic, but does about the same thing. Again, since there is no distinction between a Tier 1 and a Tier 2, it does not appear to me to break the game.

It is only when adding in a second Tier which can only fight on that level that such a rule, as I have noted before, breaks the game. If a second Tier is wanted for Club Pacific, I think a rule like the one I have stated before is required, like 25 points/2 units per 100.

However, in light of what the Club Atlantic, Club Frozen Seas, and Club Med have done with their systems, where there is no distinction between a Tier 1 and a Tier 2, it might be interesting to look at a possible grand coalition of nations that fought together but have limited unit rosters of their own. You could do a Commonwealth plus Dutch team and just lump all of the Allied nations currently listed as Tier 2 together. That would be quite interesting as a Tier 1 nation in its own right. With that one you could certainly keep the capital ship rule you have now, or one of the two rules on BB and CV inclusion I quoted above, since if you include two super BB from the USN, it ends up just being a USN build balance wise, and you were already allowed to do that in CP. Again, it would be a distinction with no difference. But, due to the limited number of aircraft types used by the Commonwealth/Dutch in the Pacific Theater, I would naturally allow for full WAS Class Limits Lend Lease of aircraft without taking away from the CW/Dutch teams build points, i.e., just limits on numbers of USN ships they can take by some rule you choose. At any rate, anyone wanting to field this hypothetical CP Commonwealth/Dutch team would be so into those nations that they would likely focus on those units plus a couple of USN units to enhance their survivability against all the other theater clubs.

Web editing this would be pretty easy. You could change the name of your Tier 2 fleet title (in both places it appears) roughly from:

TIER 2 FLEETS:
Australia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Soviet Union and United Kingdom

to:

Commonwealth/Dutch

since you already decided to give up the Soviet faction. And you would edit out the "= Tier 1" in the United States Navy title, since there would no longer be two tiers.

But, if you want to keep the Tier 2 and go through the complicated and nuanced exercise of creating a whole bunch of separate playable Tier 2 nation teams for playing essentially only against the Tier 2 Axis teams of Club Indian Ocean, you can certainly do so. Sounds like a lot of work. If you have the time, though, it could be done. I do not believe the other three theater clubs are going to rush out and adopt Tier 2, however, considering how things around here tend to go, inertia, controversy, closing ranks, etc.

Having said that, I am not saying that Club Indian Ocean, on the other hand, needs to give up the Tier 2 structure they have. It is still playable, and interesting, as a theater "away-game", which is all it can be used for at for the moment. But, Club Indian Ocean could consider some kind of an Indian Ocean Theater additional Tier 1 "ANZAC/Dutch/France/USA" coalition of their own, based around Richelieu, Hermes (via ANZAC), Victorious (as USS Robin), and Saratoga, which would be pretty neat. And CIO could have a Germany/Italian/Siam coalition that would add up to an interesting variety fleet, albeit not as strong as the others. But with a rule to allow IJN units, you could make do.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

Admiral Woodside
Flakstruk

Hey guys, I'm trying to get the global map network we had for the League of Nations into action by giving the clubs home ports.

I'm guessing Pearl Harbour is a decent base for your guys

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/sutra1045491.php#1045491

These are some ships I had from earlier effort to launch the league

http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/sutra1045490.php#1045490
Flakstruk

I just comment this in the CIO thread but it is relevant here

Quote:

Overall, the Tier 2 fleets are intended to be fun at 100 points or so. Adding historical units was a concession to allow more flexibility but I'm against filling them tier2 fleets with other countries units if they have enough for 100 points already.


I was under the impression that the ANZAC squadron served as distance cover/screen for the hornet and the wasp.
In a gameplay sense, the wasp as a fighter truck would allow a Beaufort, Kitty-swarm to work pretty effectively against everything up to a Kongo Twisted Evil
Doberman

ATTENTION

Club Pacific Members

I have posted ALL the USN & IJN Cards from
Sets I - VI, Poseidon and NEPTUNE!

3rd & 4th post down, 1st page!
Admiral Woodside

Doberman wrote:
ATTENTION

Club Pacific Members

I have posted ALL the USN & IJN Cards from
Sets I - VI, Poseidon and NEPTUNE!

3rd & 4th post down, 1st page!


Hmmm. Now page one of the thread takes like 20 seconds to load for me. Even with the cards set up as {spoilers}, I see all the cards being loaded from photobucket down at the bottom of my web browser. That would use up a lot of bandwidth every time I checked page 1 of the CP thread for info. That's a bit of a problem for me as I am on a 3GB wireless plan, and I tend to use it all up every month, and I even ran out a couple times, and definitely had to go slow at the end of the month a few times. I can see it was a lot of effort and it looks great, but the cards are elsewhere on foruMINI in their own thread already. Just saying...

Cheers,

Admiral Woodside
Flakstruk

Requesting Response from CPO-HQ

Warspite, Jersey Arrive at Midway
http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/sutra1056135.php#1056135
from Iwo Jima

Transmission From Warspite
"Midway Station, Midway Station, this is CIOS Warspite requesting permission for passage Pearl Harbour- Please Reply"
Flakstruk

Any Pacific guys stopping by- can you jump over to online matches and give Doberman a hand on the last 2 games of the season,
I'd hate to have to forfeit him on both.
1 game v fires, and 1 v me (escalator match thread)
Ayrton12

Oh, I missed your post. I could have jumped in there, but my horrible performance during the last games left me cursing the dice server Wink Only Battleships there, all onehits on my side Sad

Doberman seems to be absent at the moment, maybe to much work.

Maybe a bit to late now anyway, the league should be done soon, and these are large games.
LcdrSwizzle

I need an email for a club leader, to email them a list of SWO_Daddy's cards that qualify for Club Pac.

The other theater clubs have gotten their lists, and yes, SWO_Daddy is coming out with 2 new decks this summer, and I'll take those on for this project as well!
Gibster

I would like to join club Pacific!
Flakstruk

2014. Theatre League call to arms
Flakstruk

Club IO Taskforce is raiding, does anyone meet the challenge?
ParanoidAndroid

I would like to sign up for Club Pacific please!

Though I'm not completely up to speed on how the leagues work, I will happily meet Flakstruk's challenge!
ParanoidAndroid

Anyone home?
Flakstruk

You can take over the club if no-one else will.

Let me know if I can help Wink
ParanoidAndroid

Oh wow, I dunno how anything works. Is there anyone still in the club playing at all?
ParanoidAndroid

Looks like of the posters in this thread, only Gman is still active.
ParanoidAndroid

And I forgot to say "thank you" Flak yes I would appreciate any help.
ParanoidAndroid

Hey Flak is that offer to help me revive this club still on the table?
Flakstruk

I don't see why not
ParanoidAndroid

Cool, I'm going to send some pms to members who've posted in this thread and see who's still active. I don't really want to run things, I just want to participate mainly, but I at least want to get things going again so the club is represented in the league. Any guidance or suggestions you or any of the other regulars can give me would be very much appreciated.

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