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sublime828

A WAS Clubhouse Member Vote - Please Vote Now!

ND has been sprucing up the Forumini lately and it is coming together nicely.  However, I would prefer that the Clubhouse be removed as a sub-forum in the WAS online matches and Clubs forum and have separate forums for online matches and the clubhouse.  The online matches section should be only for online matches.  Playing WAS matches is a big part of the Clubhouse but it is also an area for Naval Enthusiasts to gather and discuss their favorite fleets.  Being made a sub-forum sort of labels the Clubhouse as a "gamers only" type of place, which we are not.  All the clubhouses should be visible in the main forum area IMO.  Please take a moment and vote on this if you would and Thanks for voting Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

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sublime828

Please keep voting gents, and feel free to comment if you wish.

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Solomiranthius

At a time when we are trying to increase the Clubhouse membership while broadening our audience, a move placing the clubhouse as a sub-forum of the Online Matches thread might end up being injurious. It greatly decreases our visibility, and is destructive to our image.
sublime828

Solomiranthius wrote:
At a time when we are trying to increase the Clubhouse membership while broadening our audience, a move placing the clubhouse as a sub-forum of the Online Matches thread might end up being injurious. It greatly decreases our visibility, and is destructive to our image.


agreed sir
NeuralDream

Re: A WAS Clubhouse Member Vote - Please Vote Now!

sublime828 wrote:
Playing WAS matches is a big part of the Clubhouse but it is also an area for Naval Enthusiasts to gather and discuss their favorite fleets.

While I am very open to suggestions and quite interested in this discussion here, I have to post my observation:

At the moment, 48 of the 50 posts in the first page of http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/forum80.php are arrangements for online matches. Despite what we all originally envisioned the clubhouse to be, at the moment it seems to be the place where club matches are arranged. I do not see any research, modelling, scenarions, club projects or generally any other discussion outside online matches or the current league. Absolutely nothing wrong with this, of course, but it is the reason why the clubhouses were moved to online matches.

As I said though, I genuinely wish to have a public discussion on this.
sublime828

Re: A WAS Clubhouse Member Vote - Please Vote Now!

NeuralDream wrote:
sublime828 wrote:
Playing WAS matches is a big part of the Clubhouse but it is also an area for Naval Enthusiasts to gather and discuss their favorite fleets.

While I am very open to suggestions and quite interested in this discussion here, I have to post my observation:

At the moment, 48 of the 50 posts in the first page of http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/forum80.php are arrangements for online matches. Despite what we all originally envisioned the clubhouse to be, at the moment it seems to be the place where club matches are arranged. I do not see any research, modelling, scenarions, club projects or generally any other discussion outside online matches or the current league. Absolutely nothing wrong with this, of course, but it is the reason why the clubhouses were moved to online matches.

As I said though, I genuinely wish to have a public discussion on this.


All of the above is true, but in the defense of the clubhouse, how are we supposed to be seen by other foruminians when we are confined in the Online Matches section where newer members and enthusiasts will rarely if ever look.  Being visible to others is part of what keeps the clubhouse open and interesting.  When all matches were held in the one online matches area, it gave players of the other formats a chance to peek in and see what the other players/games were like.  With everything split up now, players will be less likely to look outside of their area to see what the other side is doing.  Loosing our visibility will make it much more difficult for us to attract new members.
firesdstny

I think it is interesting that so far the responders have been the gamers - who tend to be the "active" club members!  

However, most of the members of the clubs - particularly RN - are not really active participants in the online gaming section though they participate greatly elsewhere in defense/with enthusiasm for their clubs..

I think even before the restructuring of the clubhouse, the clubhouse had taken on a gamer edge as the projects, custom units, campaigns, fleet discussions, modeling were all taken into other subforums - and driven by members elsewhere.  So I agree with ND, that the clubhouse has become gamer driven - even though there are plenty of non-gamers who have remained casual visitors or visitors in spurts if not great contributors to the online matches.

I also agree with Sublime's sentiment that especially after the recent restructure we are trying to build membership and activity (which activity at least is up due to the league season)  and that is difficult to do being a subforum of a section that - while frequently having new messages due to the games in progress - does not necessarily generate many new visitors or interest.

With the current arrangement, a new visitor would explore the online matches before seeing the clubhouse, then if curious further may explore the club house section.  
The current setup gives the mis-impression that one must be an online gamer to be a club member.

I am not seriously advocating this approach, but it may actually make more sense to make the online matches a subforum of the Clubhouse!  That creates the opposite problem of course of people misinterpreting a need to be a member of a club to play an online match.

Either way, it seems a connection can be made where one does not necessarily exist.  While the two forums are certainly co-active, they are not truly co-dependent on membership/activity.  

It makes most sense to me to separate the two into different forums, and allow members the choice of participation in one or both as they feel.

Also, the bold is for emphasis of main points, I am certainly not trying to shout or be negative.  In total, I like the rearrangement a lot!  This is the one place where it doesn't seem to be such a great fit - as it combines the 2 areas where i am most active while leaving me somewhat apart from other areas like the GD and the tourneys (which are also kind've like online matches - and maybe should be subforums of that section?)
Indy Sparky

You know I must say, I like the new layout of the forum, all but the quick reply on the right hand side!!  That being said, the layout to me is easier to follow and everything is smoother.  Just my opinion on the matter!
Brigman

Yeah, I'd prefer the Clubhouse to have its own slot, as it did before, instead of being a sub-forum... for the reasons Subs and Fires already covered above. Wink
Ruckdog05

I can see the point of having clubhouses as a separate forum, however as a late comer to actively participating in the club (I was there at the very start, but then took a long break from regular posting), it was my impression that the clubs were mainly a vehicle for organizing online matches. The club posting rules certainly seem to give that impression, but the discussion here has made me realize otherwise.
NeuralDream

Let me clarify. We already have a dedicated forum for WAS online matches. We cannot have a second forum dedicated solely to planning WAS online matches. We really need to economise on main forums on the frontpage.

So, my suggestion is the following:

We return WAS Clubhouse as a main forum again for a 1-month trial. If after a month its activity is still primarily about organising online matches, we make it an online matches subforum. Otherwise, it remains as a main forum.

Would this be fair?
sublime828

NeuralDream wrote:
Let me clarify. We already have a dedicated forum for WAS online matches. We cannot have a second forum dedicated solely to planning WAS online matches. We really need to economise on main forums on the frontpage.

So, my suggestion is the following:

We return WAS Clubhouse as a main forum again for a 1-month trial. If after a month its activity is still primarily about organising online matches, we make it an online matches subforum. Otherwise, it remains as a main forum.

Would this be fair?


The clubhouse is much more than a place to "set up matches"......

It is true that many of our members are non-active club members who do not actively participate in the clubhouse but they are actively supporting their clubs throughout the forumini.  We have a lot of friendly competition in the clubhouse, clubs that take pride in their appearance, their achievements, and so forth.  Many of our players actively engage and participate in other forums, discussions, and competitions.  When the time came to restructure the clubhouse, we complied.  Lots of research was put in by club members to make the clubs in the clubhouse meet the requirements that were laid down on us.  Lots of work was completed to bring the clubhouse up to code so to speak.  So i guess I don't know how after everything that has been done in the clubhouse to comply with what was asked of us, that it is simply considered an extension of the online matches area. There really isn't room for us as a main page topic?  

The one month trial sort of seems just like something to keep us quite for awhile.  The majority of the posts are going to be about matches at the moment....we are in just starting a League Season.  I am still on the fence with this issue, the clubhouses deserve more attention than a sub-forum post hidden out of sight...

We will do our best to bring the clubhouse up to your requirements but it is more than just a place to set up matches.

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Solomiranthius

To continue the point sublime made - we are nearing the end of month one of a three month long league season. It makes sense that the vast majority of posts in the clubhouse would be from people looking for league matches; and this is not going to change in a month - when we're still in the middle of the league season.

In two months when the season is over we might see a shift in the discussions.

I'm curious if this next proposal will get support:

1) Move the Clubhouse back to the main page (for all the reasons put out there).
2) Add a sub-forum TO the Clubhouse just for people to post threads looking for matches. A "Club Match Search" sub-forum.
3) Keep the HQs sticked in the main Clubhouse thread, but open it up to discussions related to W@S nation-pride, strategies, history, etc.
sublime828

Solomiranthius wrote:
To continue the point sublime made - we are nearing the end of month one of a three month long league season. It makes sense that the vast majority of posts in the clubhouse would be from people looking for league matches; and this is not going to change in a month - when we're still in the middle of the league season.

In two months when the season is over we might see a shift in the discussions.

I'm curious if this next proposal will get support:

1) Move the Clubhouse back to the main page (for all the reasons put out there).
2) Add a sub-forum TO the Clubhouse just for people to post threads looking for matches. A "Club Match Search" sub-forum.
3) Keep the HQs sticked in the main Clubhouse thread, but open it up to discussions related to W@S nation-pride, strategies, history, etc.


This is good path to take, I like the way you are thinking solo......always the mediator  Very Happy
Crazy Cat

sublime828 wrote:
Solomiranthius wrote:
To continue the point sublime made - we are nearing the end of month one of a three month long league season. It makes sense that the vast majority of posts in the clubhouse would be from people looking for league matches; and this is not going to change in a month - when we're still in the middle of the league season.

In two months when the season is over we might see a shift in the discussions.

I'm curious if this next proposal will get support:

1) Move the Clubhouse back to the main page (for all the reasons put out there).
2) Add a sub-forum TO the Clubhouse just for people to post threads looking for matches. A "Club Match Search" sub-forum.
3) Keep the HQs sticked in the main Clubhouse thread, but open it up to discussions related to W@S nation-pride, strategies, history, etc.


This is good path to take, I like the way you are thinking solo......always the mediator  Very Happy


Oh dear lord, you guys are CRAZY Exclamation  Laughing   The clubhouse and gaming part of the forum actually looks now more like it used to so it's not unfamaliar.  I understand why ND did it it and I don't disagree because the clubhouse to me, HAS become about online gaming and I don't have a problem with that.  Solomiranthius, expands the pie so my suggestion is to continue this thread a bit more and then lock it.  Start a new thread/pole and add the third option or additional options if generated.  You want to get as many members to vote as possible.  Wink

I'm not gonna vote on this thread as it is.  I think the new look lends itself to the current state of the clubhouse so I'm really on the fence here.  Having said that I'll likely vote with a majority since they also seem to be active and respectfully advocating for change (more visibility).
NeuralDream

I have moved the WAS (and only) Clubhouse back to the main page. We will need to see if this improves visibility in the form of noticeably more new members and a shift from an online gaming-only forum into something more unique.
firesdstny

NeuralDream wrote:
I have moved the WAS (and only) Clubhouse back to the main page. We will need to see if this improves visibility in the form of noticeably more new members and a shift from an online gaming-only forum into something more unique.


thank you!  i appreciate the move.

i am also in agreement with crazy cat as this is a bit of a challenge to become more than what we are / try some different things.

while in the league season, most posts will pertain to matches, i think a 1 month trial to try new things is warranted.
NeuralDream

firesdstny wrote:
...while in the league season, most posts will pertain to matches, i think a 1 month trial to try new things is warranted.
I am not setting any specific time limit. I wouldn't want to disrupt the clubhouse's normal operations. Let's just see how it goes and we discuss again later.

My concern is that to any non-member of the clubs, it looks as if we have assigned a whole frontpage forum simply for club members to post requests for online matches.
sublime828

Thanks ND, like I said, we'll try and meet your requirements. the Clubhouse is going to look different throughout the year.  We have 2 major competitions which will be the focus of the clubhouse during those times.  If you looked into the clubhouse 3 months ago, you would have seen nothing but posts about researching units that participated in their specific theaters.  Which was a lengthy, involved process for many Clubhouse members.  Online gaming is just one of the things that happen here in the clubhouse.
Solomiranthius

I like the change to the subforum for people seeking online club matches - this was probably needed months ago. I'm also excited for these discussion threads that are popping up, and I'm glad they aren't going to be buried in requests for matches!

Hopefully we can get some more visibility and draw some new people in.

The Clubhouse can serve an important role - bring people in who are passionate about a nation, then encourage them to learn how to play online while participating in other club discussions.
sublime828

Just like to give a public thanks to ND here for putting us back on the main page......and also making us all realize that the clubhouse can be more than a gamers haven so to speak.  I am pleased to see things other than matches happening in the clubhouse and some friendly competition to boot.  Good things can happen when a group of people act positively together to accomplish their objective.  Way to go fellas.  

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