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Costs are at time of purchase.
The main sources are the article by Barry Slemmings (Warspite) How Much Did a Warship Cost? and worldwar1.co.uk, and Brassey's Naval Annual (various additions of which are available free on-line), along with additional sporadic research by foruminians and research papers on the pre-WWI world markets.
You will notice that in some cases sisterships have very different prices. That's because they were built in different dockyards. For example, the British preferred to use even expensive dockyards, so that they produce more sisterships faster and gain an edge against the Germans.

Unless otherwise stated we use the 1914 exchange rate:

    Australian pound $4.85
    Austro-Hungarian krone ("crown") $0.197
    Belgian franc $0.193
    British pound $4.85
    Bulgarian lev ("lion") $0.193
    Canadian dollar $1.00
    Chinese yuan $1.00
    Cuban peso $1.00
    Danish krone ("crown") $0.268
    Dutch gulden $0.40
    Egyptian Lira $5.054
    Finnish markka (Russian) $0.193
    French Franc $0.192 (1914)
    German mark $0.236
    Greek Drachma $0.192 (1914).
    Indian rupee (British) $0.444
    Italian lira $0.193
    Japanese yen (silver) $1.00, (gold) $0.50
    Mexican peso (silver) $1.00
    Montenegrin perper $0.193
    Norwegian krone ("crown") $0.268
    Peruvian sol (silver) $1.00
    Romanian leu $0.193
    Russian ruble $0.507
    Serbian dinar $0.193
    Spanish peseta $0.193
    Swedish krona ("crown") $0.268
    Swiss franc $0.193


WARSHIPS

GREAT BRITAIN
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Pre-Dreadnoughts
HMS Royal Sovereign £913,986
HMS Ramillies £980,895
HMS Royal Oak £977,996
HMS Repulse £915,302
HMS Revenge (renamed Redoubtable 1915) £954,825
HMS Resolution £953,817
HMS Empress of India £912,162
HMS Majestic £986,482
HMS Caesar £936,864
HMS Illustrious £952,195
HMS Jupiter £967,651
HMS Magnificent £979,889
HMS Mars £964,352
HMS Prince George £965,604
HMS Victorious £955,312
HMS Canopus £921,316
HMS Albion £913,545
HMS Glory £895,814
HMS Goliath £920,806
HMS Ocean £938,578
HMS Vengeance £891,417
HMS Formidable £1,097,245
HMS Irresistible £1,122,636
HMS Implacable £1,063,616
HMS Bulwark £1,056,816
HMS London £1,103,453
HMS Venerable £1,159,853
HMS Duncan £1,088,897
HMS Albemarle £1,078,395
HMS Cornwallis £1,098,159
HMS Exmouth £1,098,159
HMS Russell £1,104,051
HMS Queen £1,146,669
HMS Prince of Wales £1,185,744
HMS King Edward VII £1,472,075
HMS Africa £1,420,040
HMS Britannia £1,408,053
HMS Commonwealth £1,471,527
HMS Dominion £1,453,718
HMS Hibernia £1,438,690
HMS Hindustan £1,450,652
HMS New Zealand (renamed Zealandia 1 December 1911) £1,424,643
HMS Swiftsure £957,520 - purchased from Chile (amount not certain)
HMS Triumph £956,596 - from Chile (amount not certain)
HMS Lord Nelson £1,651,339
HMS Agamemnon £1,652,347
Dreadnoughts
HMS Dreadnought £1,785,683
HMS Bellerophon £1,763,491
HMS Superb £1,744,287
HMS Temeraire £1,641,114
HMS St Vincent £1,721,970
HMS Collingwood £1,680,888
HMS Vanguard £1,606,030
HMS Neptune £1,668,916
HMS Colossus £1,672,103
HMS Hercules £1,661,240
HMS Orion £1,855,917
HMS Conqueror £1,891,164
HMS Monarch £1,888,736
HMS Thunderer £1,892,823
HMS King George V £1,961,096
HMS Centurion £1,950,671
HMS Audacious £1,918,813
HMS Ajax £1,889,387
HMS Iron Duke £1,945,824
HMS Marlborough £2,043,437
HMS Erin £2,500,000
HMS Agincourt £2,900,000
HMS Queen Elizabeth - Portsmouth Dockyard - £3,014,103
HMS Malaya £2,945,709
HMS Valiant £2,537,037
HMS Warspite £2,524,148
HMS Barham £2,470,113
HMS Canada £2,500,000
HMS Royal Sovereign £2,570,504
HMS Revenge £2,406,368
HMS Resolution £2,449,680
HMS Royal Oak £2,468,269
HMS Ramillies £3,295,810
Battlecruisers
HMS Invincible £1,767,515
HMS Inflexible £1,720,739
HMS Indomitable £1,752,337
HMS Indefatigable £1,520,591
HMS New Zealand £1,783,190
HMAS Australia (Royal Australian Navy) £1,783,190
HMS Lion £2,083,999
HMS Princess Royal £2,076,222
HMS Queen Mary £2,078,491
HMS Tiger £2,100,000
HMS Renown £3,117,204
HMS Repulse £2,829,087
Armoured cruisers
HMS Diadem, Amphitrite, Andromeda, Argonaut, Ariadne, Europa, Niobe, Spartiate - approx. £600.000 average
HMS Cressy, Aboukir, Bacchante, Hogue, Sutlej, Euryalus - approx. £800,000 average
HMS Drake £1,002,977
HMS Good Hope £990,759
HMS King Alfred £978,125
HMS Leviathan £1,012,959
HMS Monmouth, Bedford, Donegal, Berwick, Kent, Cumberland, Cornwall, Essex, Suffolk, Lancaster - approx. £775,000 average
HMS Devonshire, Antrim, Argyll, Carnarvon, Hampshire, Roxburgh - approx. £850,000 average
HMS Duke of Edinburgh, Black Prince - approx. £1,150,000 average
HMS Warrior, Cochrane, Natal, Achilles - approx. £1,180,000 average
HMS Minotaur £1,410,356
HMS Defence £1,362,970
HMS Shannon £1,415,535
Light Cruisers
HMS Courageous £2,038,225
HMS Edgar £410,980
HMS Hawke £400,702
HMS Endymion £375,250
HMS Royal Arthur £412,033
HMS Gibraltar £373,236
HMS Grafton £372,890
HMS St George £388,755
HMS Theseus £370,359
HMS Crescent £392,453
HMS Apollo, Aeolus, Andromache, Brilliant, Indefatigable, Intrepid, Iphigenia, Latona, Melampus, Naiad, Pique, Rainbow, Retribution, Sappho, Scylla, Sirius, Spartan, Sybille, Terpsichore, Thetis, Tribune - approx. £200,000 average
HMS Highflyer, Hermes, Hyacinth - approx. £300,000 average
HMS Pelorous, Pandora, Pegasus, Perseus, Pactolus, Pioneer, Pomone, Prometheus, Proserpine, Psyche, Pyramus = approx. £150,000 average
HMS Topaze, Amethyst, Diamond, Sapphire - approx. £240,000 average
HMS Sentinel, Skirmisher - approx. £282,000 average
HMS Forward, Foresight - approx. £289,000 average
HMS Pathfinder, Patrol Laid down - approx. £279,000 average
HMS Adventure, Attentive - approx. £275,000 average
HMS Boadicea, Bellona - approx. £330,000 average
HMS Weymouth, Dartmouth, Falmouth, Yarmouth  £396,363 average
HMS Chatham, Dublin, Southampton, HMAS Sydney (RAN), Melbourne (RAN), Brisbane (RAN) - £334,053 average
HMS Arethusa, Aurora, Galatea, Inconstant, Penelope, Phaeton, Royalist, Undaunted - approx. £285,000 average
Monitors
HMS Humber, HMS Mersey, HMS Severn £155,000 each. Bought from Brazil.
HMS Gorgon, HMS Glatton £370,000 each. From Norway.
Marshal Soult, Marshal Ney £270,000 each
HMS Erebus £380,000 + used weaponry. Would cost £540,000 with new weaponry.
HMS General Wolfe and other 12inch monitors approx. £260,000 (before conversions with larger guns).

Destroyers
Acheron class destroyer - £88,000
HMS Beagle was £106,000
HMS Defender was just £83,000
HMS Acorn - £94,000
HMS Acheron - £88,000
HMS Acasta - £100,000
HMS Laforey - £98,000
M class - £100,000
Admiralty M class with higher speeds cost £110,000 but the 'Specials' were faster and cost £127,000 each
V&W destroyers - £200,000
Submarines
D Class sub - £89,000
Minesweeper
Flower Class minesweeper - £60,000

GERMANY
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Pre-Dreadnoughts
SMS Brandenburg 15,832,000 Marks
SMS Wörth 16,054,000 Marks
SMS Kaiser Friedrich III 21,472,000 Marks
SMS Kaiser Wilhelm II 20,387,000 Marks
SMS Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse 20,254,000 Marks
SMS Kaiser Karl Der Grosse 20,385,000 Marks
SMS Kaiser Barbarossa 20,301,000 Marks
SMS Wittelsbach 22,740,000 Marks
SMS Wettin 22,597,000 Marks
SMS Zahringen 22,275,000 Marks
SMS Schwaben 21,678,000 Marks
SMS Mecklenburg 22,329,000 Marks
SMS Braunschweig 23,893,000 Marks
SMS Elsass 23,983,000 Marks
SMS Hessen 23,867,000 Marks
SMS Preussen 23,990,000 Marks
SMS Lothringen 23,801,000 Marks
SMS Deutschland 24,481,000 Marks
SMS Pommern 24,624,000 Marks
SMS Hannover 24,253,000 Marks
SMS Schlesien 24,920,000 Marks
SMS Schleswig-Holstein 24,972,000 Marks
Dreadnoughts
SMS Nassau 37,399,000 Marks
SMS Posen 36,920,000 Marks
SMS Rheinland 36,916,000 Marks
SMS Westfalen 37,615,000 Marks
SMS Helgoland 46,196,000 Marks
SMS Ostfriesland 43,579,000 Marks
SMS Thüringen 46,314,000 Marks
SMS Oldenburg 45,801,000 Marks
SMS Kaiser 44,997,000 Marks
SMS Friedrich der Grosse 45,802,000 Marks
SMS Kaiserin 45,173,000 Marks
SMS König Albert 45,761,000 Marks
SMS Prinzregent Luitpold 46,374,000 Marks
SMS König, SMS Grosser Kurfürst, SMS Markgraf, SMS Kronprinz - approx. 45,000,000 Marks average
SMS Bayern, SMS Baden - approx. 50,000,000 Marks average
Battlecruisers
SMS Von der Tann 36,523,000 Marks
SMS Moltke 42,603,000 Marks
SMS Goeben 41,564,000 Marks
SMS Seydlitz 44,685,000 Marks
SMS Derfflinger 56,000,000 Marks
SMS Lützow 58,000,000 Marks
SMS Hindenburg 59,000,000 Marks
Armoured Cruisers
SMS Kaiserin Augusta 8,697,000 Marks
SMS Victoria Luise 10,714,000 Marks
SMS Hertha 9,932,000 Marks
SMS Freya 11,094,000 Marks
SMS Vineta 10,714,000 Marks
SMS Hansa 10,270,000 Marks
SMS Fürst Bismarck 18,945,000 Marks
SMS Prinz Heinrich 16,588,000 Marks
SMS Prinz Adalbert 16,371,000 Marks
SMS Friedrich Carl 15,665,000 Marks
SMS Roon 15,345,000 Marks
SMS Yorck 16,241,000 Marks
SMS Scharnhorst 20,319,000 Marks
SMS Gneisenau 19,243,000 Marks
SMS Blücher 28,532,000 Marks
Light Cruisers
SMS Gazelle 4,611,000 Marks
SMS Niobe 4,534,000 Marks
SMS Nymphe 4,647,000 Marks
SMS Thetis 4,487,000 Marks
SMS Ariadne 4,779,000 Marks
SMS Amazone 4,858,000 Marks
SMS Medusa 4,739,000 Marks
SMS Frauenlob 4,596,000 Marks
SMS Arcona 4,493,000 Marks
SMS Udine 4,653,000 Marks
SMS Bremen 4,746,000 Marks
SMS Hamburg 4,706,000 Marks
SMS Berlin 4,545,000 Marks
SMS Lübeck 5,436,000 Marks
SMS München 5,054,000 Marks
SMS Leipzig 5,043,000 Marks
SMS Danzig 4,828,000 Marks
SMS Königsberg 5,407,000 Marks
SMS Nürnberg 5,560,000 Marks
SMS Stuttgart 5,488,000 Marks
SMS Stettin 6,398,000 Marks
SMS Dresden 7,460,000 Marks
SMS Emden 5,960,000 Marks
SMS Kolberg 8,118,000 Marks
SMS Mainz 8,777,000 Marks
SMS Cöln 8,356,000 Marks
SMS Augsburg 7,593,000 Marks
SMS Magdeburg 8,058,000 Marks
SMS Breslau 7,961,000 Marks
SMS Strassburg 7,302,000 Marks
SMS Stralsund 7,741,000 Marks
SMS Karlsruhe 8,126,000 Marks
SMS Rostock 8,124,000 Marks
SMS Graudenz 8,800,000 Marks
SMS Regensburg 8,800,000 Marks


AUSTRIA-HUNGARY

Pre-dreadnoughts
Erzherzog Karl £912,500
Radetzky $7,880,000

Armoured Cruisers
Kaiser Karl VI £429,000
Sankt Georg £581,585

Light Cruisers
Zenta £143,780
Kaiser Franz Joseph I, Kaiserin Elisabet £203,093

RUSSIA
Dreadnoughts
Gangut, Petropavlosk, Poltava, Sevastopol 29 million roubles (extremely expensive due to design faults and state bureaucracy! - $14.7M each!)
    - these vessels expence confirmed by Brassy's at £2.8 mil, about $13.6 mil, so by all estimates, very expensive
Pre-dreadnoughts
Andrei Pervozvannyi / Pevel I (Imperator) £1,170,000
Sinope £900,000
Petropavlosk 9,225,309 rubles  (Brassey says £1,098,000)
Poltava / Sevastopol £1,098,000
Peresviet 10.54 mil. Rub.
Oslyabya 11.34 mil. Rub.
Pobieda 10.05 mil. Rub.
Catherine II £900,000
Georgi Pobiedonosetz £431,000
Navarin £772,995
Nicolai I £453,000
Sissoi Veliki £796,333
coast defense ships[i]
Admiral Oushakoff / Admiral Seniavin £410,000
[i]cruisers

Zhemchug 3,549,848 rub. cost - 1.8 million USD, sister Izumrud was of comparable cost, both nearly twice as expensive as near-sister Novik, built in Germany
Admiral Nakhimof £572,000
Pamyat Azova £350,000
Admiral Korniloff £296,000
gunboats
Kazarsky £32,500
Abrek £53,600
Griden £66,600
Posadnik / Voevoda £111,000

GREECE
Pre-Dreadnoughts
Limnos (USS Idaho) and Kilkis (USS Mississippi) $6,267,638 each
Armoured Cruisers
RHN Georgios Averoff 24 million drachmas
Destroyers
RHN Aetos, Ierax, Panthir, Leon, 148,000 British pounds each from The Liverpool Dockyards "Camell Laird".

JAPAN
Battleships
Tango (ex Russian Poltava) £1,098,000
Battlecruisers
Kongo £2,500,000
Coast Defense
Minoshima £410,000
Armored Cruisers
Kasuga / Nisshin £760,000
Light cruisers
Akashi £327,000
Chitose / Kasagi  £205,200
Suma £237,000

NETHERLANDS
Coast Defence vessels
De Ruyter / Hertog Hendrik / Jacob van Heemskerck / Koningin Regentes / Marten Tromp £347,500
Cruisers
Friesland / Holland / Zeeland £285,700

NORWAY
Coast Defence vessels
Eidsvold / Norge £350,000
Harald Haarfagre / Torkenskjold £300,000

PORTUGAL
Battleship
Vasco da Gama £132,000

ITALY
Battleships
Napoli and Regina Elena £1,120,000
Re Umberto £1,058,500
Roma £1,120,000
Sardegna £1,057,440
Sicilia £1,050,000
Vittorio Emanuele III £1,120,000
Armored Cruisers
Amalfi £880,000
Marco Polo £344,400
light cruisers
Calabria £183,120
Elba £200,000
Etruria £183,120
Liguria £183,120
Puglia £200,000
gunboats
Governolo £58,440  
Aretusa / Iride / Minerva £72,920

SPAIN
Dreadnoughts
Espana Class approx. 1.6M pounds each
Armored Cruisers
Cataluna / Princesa de Asturias £600,000
Emperador Carlos V £734,000

SWEDEN
Armored Cruisers
Fylgia £385,700
Sverige £666,000

TURKEY
Pre-dreadnoughts
Kheyr-ed-Din Barbarossa / Turgut Reis £450,000

UNITED STATES - According to Brassey's, these US prices do not include guns/armor
PreDreadnoughts
Alabama £514539
Connecticut £819300
Georgia £737700
Illinois £ 533237
Iowa £618514
Kansas £855850
Kearsarge / Kentucky £462345
Louisiana £819300
Maine £592828
Minnesota £844500
Missouri £ 592828
Nebraska £767212
New Hampshire £1600000
New Jersey £699680
Ohio £595705
Rhode Island £699680
Vermont £858730
Virginia £ 737700
Wisconsin £549666
Dreadnoughts
Arizona / Pennsylvania £1485000
Arkansas £964000
Deleware £817300
Florida £1280000
Michigan £ 700000
Nevada / Oklahoma £2200000
North Dakota £970630
South Carolina £760000
Texas £1466000
Utah £813500
Wyoming £963800
Armored Cruisers
Brooklyn £613,583
Chalreston £563,030
Colorado £765,000
Maryland £756,400
Milwaukee £ 580,500
Montana £970,630
North Carolina £970,630
Pittsburgh £799,340
San Diego £756,000
Saratoga £613,377
St. Louis £563,030
South Dakota £770,570
Tennessee £970,630
Washington £970,630
West Virginia £798,310
Cruiser
Columbia £559,950
Minneapolis £552,754
Light Cruiser
Albany £247,611
Chattanooga / Cleveland / Denver / Des Moines / Galveston £212,325
New Orleans £293,684
Tacoma £212,325
Scout Cruiser
Birmingham £301,000
Chester £337,000
Cincinnati £226,055
Salem £391,000

FRANCE
Pre-dread
Bouvet £1,100,770
Brennus £991,767
Carnot £1,070,088
Charlemagne £1,096,432
Chalres Martel £1,092,830
Condorcet £2,165,200
Danton £2,068,000
Democratie £1,173,180
Diderot £2,167,000
Gaulois £1,093,925
Henri IV £801,248
Jaureguiberry £1,069,536
Justice £1,670,385
Massena £1,100,400
Mirabeau £2,032,000
Patrie £1,674,870
Republique £1,523,136
Saint Louis £1,080,997
Suffren £1,195,564
Vergniaud £2,165,200
Verite £1,661,409
Voltaire £2,169,200
Dreadnoughts
Bretange £2,580,430
Courbet £2,508,388
Flandre £2,589,439
France £2,603,920
Gascogne £2,589,439
Jean Bart £2,528,888
Languedoc £2,642,439
Lorraine £2,642,439
Normandie £2,612,139
Paris £2,603,920
Provence £2,600,195
Armored Cruisers
Aube (Amiral Aube?) £973,410
Bruix £409,622
Charner (Amiral Charner) £353,200
Conde £863,799
Desaix £762,759
Dupetit-Thouars £831,839
Dupleix £652,354
Edgard Quinet £1,307,536
Ernest Renan £1,410,000
Gloire £883,269
Gueydon (Amiral Gueydon) £817,994
Jeanne d'Arc £875,847
Jules Ferry £1,169,940
Jules Michelet £1,204,107
Kleber £770,320
Leon Gambetta £1,169,640
Marseillaise £881,270
Montcalm £902,809
Victor Hugo £1,229,932
Waldeck-Rousseau £1,301,380
Cruiser
Chateaurenault £606,656
D'Entrecasteaux £667,740
Guichen £611,945
Jurien de la Graviere £475,979
Light Cruiser
Cassard £318,712
Descartes £334,725
D'Estrees £208200
Du Chayla £315,835
Friant £308,750
Lavoisier £202,024

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AIRCRAFT


*Rumpler-Taube 1914: $5,555
*D-VII -> $5,555 + unknown cost for engine, guns & instruments
*"C-Flugzeug" early war: $7,778
*"C-Flugzeug" 1917/18:  $8,892 - 13,333
*"Großflugzeug" like AEG, Gotha, Staaken, Linke-Hoffmann: $111,100
*Siemens-Schuckert R VIII:  $166,660

*Sopwith F1 Camel
-Airframe fixed cost: $4,112
-Engine options:130hp Clerget + $4,263
110hp Le Rhone + $3,400
100hp Gnome Monosoupape + £3,271
150hp BR1 + $3,022)
-Also instruments and guns of unknown cost.

*Bristol F2B Fighter
Airframe less engine, instruments and guns £1350
Rolls Royce Falcon £1210
Sunbeam Arab £1017

All prices in Pounds Sterling. Aeroplane prices do not include engines, instruments or guns.
AW FK3 1127
AW FK8 1365
Avro 504k 898
BE2c 1072
BE2e 1072
BE12 990
BF2b 1350
Bristol Monoplane 770
Bristol Scout 1072
DH1 1100
DH4 1424
DH5 874
DH6 885
DH9 1473
DH9a 1599
FE2b 1521
FE2d 1540
HP 0400 6000
HP V1500 12500
Henri Farman 1159
Martinsyde F3 1210
Maurice Farman SH 1005
RE7 1886
RE8 1232
SE5a 1063
Camel F1 874
Sopwith Scout 710
Dolphin 1010
Snipe 945
Salamander 1138
Strutter 842
SPAD 1045


Here's the engine pricelist.

Arab (Sunbeam) 200 HP 1017
Adder (HissoSuiza)W4b 200 HP 946
BR1 150 HP 643
BR2 200 HP 880
Beardmore 120 HP 825
Beardmore 160 HP 1045
Clerget 7Z 80 HP 484
Clerget 9b 9bf 130 HP 907
Clerget 11 200 HP 951
Eagle II,III,IV (RR) 250 HP 1430
Eagle V 275 HP 1721
Falcon I,II,II (RR) 190 HP 1210
Gnome 80 HP 430
Hawk (RR) 75 HP 896
Hispano Suiza 200 HP 1004
LeRhone 110 HP 771
LeRhone 80 HP 620
Monosoupape 100 HP 696
Maori (Sunbeam) 250 HP 1391
Puma 230 HP 1089
RAF 1a 100 HP 522
RAF 3a 200 HP 1210
RAF 4a 150 HP 836
Renault 80 HP 522
Salmson 200 HP 968
Viper (HissoSuiza)W4a 200 HP 814


Oeffag Albatros DIII series 53 and 153 cost 30,500 crowns sans engines (185 and 200 HP Austro Daimler) Series 253 DIII cost 44,000 Crowns sans engine (225 HP Austro Daimler. I have no idea of the value of an austrian Crown,

For airships:
The Cacquot Type M, used by the British Navy and the US Army balloon cost £458 6s 4p. The 2 man Cacquot R £400 5s 6p
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i have some good references on ridgid Airships of the period ((of course I would)I will look and see if the wartime cost are listed.
of couse two of my best books are in german... Rolling Eyes

EDIT; unfortunately "Die Deutschen Marine-Luftshiffe" by Paul Schmalenbach
has only techincal information on the costruction and capabilitys of the airships no refrence has been found to cost of those ships.

grr....
what i can say with certainty is that the cost of Luftshiff will be high as they used valuable materials (Alluminum, goldbeaters skins) and precision machinery.
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May i ask what the standard game will be played with? 10 million?


10 million is the cost of one better battleship, 50 million buys each side about 5 capitol ships or a few big guys and an escort or so, but this has yet to be decided.
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US$30-50M is the approx. equivalent of a 150 - 250 pt WAS match. It's not exactly the same because the monetary cost doesn't necessarily represent the effectiveness of a ship. You may want to go for bargains or you may choose more strategically. Since all large ships are unique, you may have to pay different prices for identical sisters. That's because they were built by different dockyards in order to maximise the production rate, and this is reflected in the game. SMS Ostfriesland is pretty cheap, but if you want a second one, her sister Helgoland is more expensive.
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I've added the costs of the German light cruisers and the exchange rates of many more countries. Interesting info: The 4 Russian Dreadnoughts (Gangut, Petropavlosk, Poltava, Sevastopol) cost 29 million roubles each, which is extremely expensive ($14.9M). That was due to design faults and state bureaucracy! Things weren't looking great in Russia at the time. Five years before the revolution.

I think we'll soon be able to make this thread a wikipedia article. Could the American players find accurate costs for the USN of 1914? I've already asked the French players for costs of French warships too.
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Someone posted Brassey's Naval Annual as a source on the Texas thread, it has prices listed for the major warships of every important nation in 1915, so I'll post some.  Not sure about accuracy, but we can decide later which to incorporate into the master list.

all prices in british pounds

Italy

Battleships
Napoli and Regina Elena 1120000
Re Umberto 1058500
Roma 1120000
Sardegna 1057440
Sicilia 1050000
Vittorio Emanuele III 1120000

Armored Cruisers
Amalfi 880,000
Marco Polo 344400

light cruisers
Calabria 183120
Elba 200000
Etruria 183120
Liguria 183120
Puglia 200000

gunboats
Governolo 58440

torpedo gun-boats
Aretusa / Iride / Minerva 72920


I'll go through the nations as I get the chance, since it is the 1915 edition there are a lot of missing spots in the price column, I'll check around some more too.
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Japan, lots of holes in this section of the book, prices once again in pounds

Battleship
Tango (ex Russian Poltava) 1098000

Battlecruiser
Kongo 2500000

Armored Cruiser
Kasuga / Nisshin 760000

Light cruiser
Akashi 327000
Chitose / Kasagi  205200
Suma 237000


The Netherlands

Coast Defence vessels
De Ruyter / Hertog Hendrik / Jacob van Heemskerck / Koningin Regentes / Marten Tromp 347500

Cruisers
Friesland / Holland / Zeeland 285700


Norway

Coast Defence vessels
Eidsvold / Norge 350000
Harald Haarfagre / Torkenskjold 300000


Portugal

Battleship
Vasco da Gama 132000
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They look correct. I suggest to start including them in the list. I don't think that the other sources we have are more reliable than this.
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Sounds good, I'll go ahead and insert whatever else I get right into the list itself.
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Edited in my previous posts + added a few new entries for Russia + added Spain, Turkey, Sweden - though limited numbers of vessels for each, next step is USA, perhaps a project for the weekend.
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Great job collecting info from Brassey's. Now we need expert opinion about the costs of guns and armour for the American ships. Even approximate. Judging by other dreadnought designs of the same period, the guns would cost about 25% and the armour about 20% of the total price of the ship. In other words, the actual prices for the American ships must be about 1.8 x the prices listed here.

Btw, I added several exchange rates and corrected some for 1914, most notably the German Mark and British Pound, which means that the prices of this first set of alpha cards are a bit off. All these 19 ships should be a bit more expensive, especially the German ones. Not a big difference though.
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Now with France, I think that's pretty much the last major hole and that nation at least is pretty complete with price availability.
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Very impressive, swarbs!
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No problem, it was just data transfer, I've done some statistics in my day so I'm not bad at using the number pad, which is why incidentaly there were no commas, so whoever added those should get a kudos too, makes it much easier to read.
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Is there any way to find out the cost of torpedo boats?
I have a projected cost of about $0.2M for a type that the Austrians planned but never built, and I can't find anything for the German Torpedoboot 1916. Any idea about the British ones? At such level of costs (0.2, 0.3 or so), even our estimation is 30% off they are still within the same level, so we can try to guess, but we need a little bit of additional info.
Then, we can consider torpedoboats of similar sizes, engine and guns to have the same cost. As I said, at that price level, even a bad estimation will not show.
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Yes, Finding Torpedoboot prices would be nice, my Torpedoboot 1916 price was purely estimation, or actually guesstimation. ND and Swarbs, you two have been incredible in collecting this Data.
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Perhaps not the best comparison to WWI vessels but, with the design help of an English firm (Yarrow) the Russians built a class of torpedo boats starting in 1899, 350 tons, 64m long, 3 tubes, 1 76mm and numerous smaller guns for 490,000 rub. apiece.

http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/Escadra/Nevki/Draw/04.jpg

Three boats of project 1903 'Grohzny', similar to above with improved machinery cost 485,000 rub. each.

http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/Escadra/Nevki/Draw/09.jpg

Another incremental upgrad, project 1904, increased speed and displacement to nearly 400 tons, and cost to 516,000 rub. each.

http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/Escadra/Nevki/Draw/14.jpg

Apparently those that were completed in time to make it to the far east didn't perform well at any sort of distance from the coast, but the Russians kept the ones that survived anyway and they proved useful in the calmer Black and Baltic seas, laying mines, scouting, sub-hunting etc., but war service and additional to-weight completely used the ships up (some hogged by a few meters up at each end), so how to incorporate this info into an estimate might be hard.


These are really the only destroyers I've found with prices attached on that Russian site.
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Wow! nice finds. The links, however, don't work.
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