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Do you think that having a betty and avenger in the starter is a sign they will have aircraft reprints? I hope so because I only have enough US carrier aircraft to supply an Independence class at the moment.
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They may have them in modified versions, but I doubt they will re-release the older ones as they were.
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| jfkziegler wrote: | | They may have them in modified versions, but I doubt they will re-release the older ones as they were. |
Well they did it with many units in the dry side. Besides it will only be a matter of time when they run out of carrier based planes, and new players will have empty carriers.
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| Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:21 pm |
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| I think they will mostly do variants like the A6M/A6M5 Zero. We are already out of US torpedo bombers, so I think if the game runs several more sets we might see a TBM-1C. |
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I for one welcome aircraft reprints--they cut way down on how many of each variant I need to get, along with adding new abilities like Night Avengers or switch-hitting Torpedo Helldivers.
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The 'problem' with the variants in the starter packs is we will have to buy a lot of starters to get the number of aircraft we want. I typically try to get 6 of each type of common aircraft. That means six starters! We will have to see how useful they are when the cards and stats are revealed. If they are good, these aircraft will be among the most sought-after, and truely 'rare' units in the game.
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You can alway's buy them as single's!!
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I think a reprint Wildcat that resembled the Martlet in stats would be ok. The Val, Kate, and Dauntless could be re-printed without changes. Maybe they could take 1-point off the Devastator. I'm not sure any other planes really are needed in the kind of voumes that would require a re-print. It's only USA-Japan that requires multiple full carriers.
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I'd like a tweak myself to the Swordfish to at least allow them the chance of a hit. Maybe if they get shot down they still get their attack, then die? Right now they have absolutely no chance.
And I don't even play the Brits!
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I would not be opposed to reprint aircraft for newbies when the singles market dries up(1-2 a set).
I am 100% against reprinting aircraft with new stats. If they are going to fix them then fix them...but do not make me pay twice. I will never pay just to get a recosted unit which makes all the planes I am sitting on obsolete.
AAM was bad enough, but at least you did receive a resized vehicle and I was not as heavily invested in the v1 stuff.
I have all I could ever want of all the WAS planes, so I for one would have a major case of the ARSE if they fixed issues by just reprinting the same model.
Releaseing the same model as a new plane i.e. Martlet/Wildcat Kate/Jill is one thing, but releasing the same wildcat with a new cost or armor would really upset me when I already own 9.
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| afilter wrote: |
I am 100% against reprinting aircraft with new stats. If they are going to fix them then fix them...but do not make me pay twice. I will never pay just to get a recosted unit which makes all the planes I am sitting on obsolete. |
You get this effect whether they are making a new variant or a new aircraft. The British aircraft in set 2 essentially obsoleted the Swordfish in set 1 even though they weren't the same aircraft. They were just better aircraft. |
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| Johnny_Thunders wrote: |
You get this effect whether they are making a new variant or a new aircraft. The British aircraft in set 2 essentially obsoleted the Swordfish in set 1 even though they weren't the same aircraft. They were just better aircraft. |
If you are a power gamer then yes....that can be said of the wildcat, Devastaor, seahurricane and others...If you play historical scenarios or year limits then not really. 
Reprint the same aircraft with new stats then I think you alienate a bunch of players who have already invested heavily in the product. The only way around it would be to have a mail in where people who already own the unit could send in their old cards for new reprints.
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| afilter- if they reprint an aircraft and fix the cost or stats, your models are still good, but the cards might not be. I also have all the aircraft I want (almost) and if WotC did the reprint thing for aircraft I would print out cards for my now-obsolete models. Does this make sense? If so, you shouldn't be concerned about all your planes being useless and having to buy more. |
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| Stealth7 wrote: | I'd like a tweak myself to the Swordfish to at least allow them the chance of a hit. Maybe if they get shot down they still get their attack, then die? Right now they have absolutely no chance.
And I don't even play the Brits! |
Do what I did: repaint your Swordfish as B4Y1 "Jean" torpedo bombers, and you have a reason to entirely can the Swordfish stats and costing! There is a card on the forum someone made, as well.
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Im all for WotC getting players new cards for their models they invested in, but the problem is.....its WotC. Where is the profit? They'd probably charge for every card you want a reprint of, so no matter what is done to fix these units, you alienate all of us anyways.
My simple way of doing this would be have WotC sell a cheap program that gives you the layouts to both sides of the card, make your own on the computer, it automatically figures the stats to your card, then print it on some nice card stock =P
But then again, its a long shot what ever way we dice this.
Id o want some fixes to some British pieces though. Its sad that they have so much negative for almost every damn piece when they matched blow for blow throughout the war. The US tipped the balance in a war that could have been stalemate.
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FYI, WOTC did do new cards for broken uits in AAM and the PDF is available on their site.
I am a collector as well as player, so to me it would kind of suck to have the units without a good card. Unless they gave you new cards I would speculate the original units would go way down in value. SO reprint if they must like they do in SWM with a new set name on them, but don't change them unless making it represent a new unit.
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I wouldn't mind getting reprints of planes, just as long as they stand out at least a little bit from their predecessors. People have brought up a lot of good ideas so far in this thread, and thats just scratching the surface of what they could make!
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| Quote: | | I'd like a tweak myself to the Swordfish to at least allow them the chance of a hit. Maybe if they get shot down they still get their attack, then die? Right now they have absolutely no chance. |
I think that has as much to do with the ridiculously over-inflated German AA ratings as it does with the Swordfish itself. When used against an exclusively Italian fleet (who dont benefit from the German Superman status) the Swordfish works pretty well for the cost (especially if you dont indulge in fantasy Italian CVs).
The problem they are running into is that they have tried to make Atlantic fleets 'balanced' against Pacific fleets and to me, that's a fool's errand. They WERENT balanced and IMO, they SHOULDNT be balanced (unless solely by cost). But in the attempt they have sort of upset the true balance of power in the Atlantic as well.
As to the topic at hand, I wouldnt be adverse to reprinted aircraft. Even if they were identical in stat/cost, simply putting them out there again (maybe with a new paint scheme) would be welcome for all of those who can never seem to have enough of an individual plane. |
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| Okie wrote: | | You can alway's buy them as single's!! |
Where would the singles come from? How many individuals or vendors are going to open up Starters just to put the singles on the market? And if they did, the prices on the aircraft would be sky high (oops, pun alert) to recoup the cost. And the ships will be almost worthless coming from all those opened starters. So we are right back to the aircraft being rare and expensive even if the starters are rifled for the minis.
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| Uncle_Joe wrote: | | Quote: | | I'd like a tweak myself to the Swordfish to at least allow them the chance of a hit. Maybe if they get shot down they still get their attack, then die? Right now they have absolutely no chance. |
I think that has as much to do with the ridiculously over-inflated German AA ratings as it does with the Swordfish itself. When used against an exclusively Italian fleet (who dont benefit from the German Superman status) the Swordfish works pretty well for the cost (especially if you dont indulge in fantasy Italian CVs).
The problem they are running into is that they have tried to make Atlantic fleets 'balanced' against Pacific fleets and to me, that's a fool's errand. They WERENT balanced and IMO, they SHOULDNT be balanced (unless solely by cost). But in the attempt they have sort of upset the true balance of power in the Atlantic as well.
As to the topic at hand, I wouldnt be adverse to reprinted aircraft. Even if they were identical in stat/cost, simply putting them out there again (maybe with a new paint scheme) would be welcome for all of those who can never seem to have enough of an individual plane. |
I agree on both counts. European Navy AA was nowhere as good as US, and EU naval aircraft were clearly inferior to US and IJN naval aircraft. Mainly because the European navies were not allowed to develop and operate their own aircraft separately from their air forces.
I also agree that of all the miniatures, reprinting aircraft would likely be the least objectionable. But I think it could be done another way by doing close variant versions. They almost all had multiple versions during their production runs. The core stats may not always change, but the SA's could provide individuality.
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