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Post subject: USSR 1943 - Kursk, Op. Citadel
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A map chosen by my first and most dedicated fan, the man whose nickname I cannot recall entirely, it goes something like this: Westenschlathi... , but I know his real name, so I am excused.
By winning a bet, he could decide what kind of map I should do next, and his choice was the Ukraine landscape, with vast open spaces for the dedicated long range German warmachines like Wespe, Nashorn, Hummel and a few small villages here and there. I hope my choice fits his wishes. I am quite pleased with this map, it should prove interesting to play. This could fit/host even a Kursk scenario.
The name of the map... went with "USSR 41 Kiev", but of course, this may change in the future if I will have the time to propose a scenario.
The map is yet to receive it's hexes and I am still deciding if those should go N-S, or E-W as main direction. Anyway, the layout:
| Quote: | OPERATION “CITADEL”
Location: USSR
Date: 1943
Scenario details: to be defined.
First "half" of the map:
Second "half" of the map:
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The soundtrack:
Map pics:
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"My dear general, the war can now only be won by the politicians." Von Rundstedt to Kurt Meyer.
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| Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:05 pm |
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well, this may be a fun map, but my playgroup wont be very happy... I can see their comments: "another pro-German map"... with all the extended range stuff.
But a good argument for the T34 - P4 F battle. Sup Armor, All round defense and speed vs Extended Range... It should be fun indeed.
Also Kursk, here you could play the Elephant, along with Tigers on one side,coming from the North, with the objective to take the small village in the South, while blasting some soviet defenses in there. I can picture all of that in my head, maybe this should be a Kursk scenario 
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| Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:31 pm |
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"My dear general, the war can now only be won by the politicians." Von Rundstedt to Kurt Meyer.
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| RedBaron wrote: | well, this may be a fun map, but my playgroup wont be very happy... I can see their comments: "another pro-German map"... with all the extended range stuff.
But a good argument for the T34 - P4 F battle. Sup Armor, All round defense and speed vs Extended Range... It should be fun indeed.
Also Kursk, here you could play the Elephant, along with Tigers on one side,coming from the North, with the objective to take the small village in the South, while blasting some soviet defenses in there. I can picture all of that in my head, maybe this should be a Kursk scenario |
Very true!
Dont forget to give the soviets an advantage in numbers.
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| Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:27 pm |
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Omg i love it!!!!
Always good to bet with you, baron 
Well but serious, this map is exactly what i had in mind. Quite similar to the desert Tobruk map wide open spaces for germans high developed extended range warmachine which meets overhelming forces of russian factorys. Thats too cool, cant w8 to hold this in hands.
And you 2 are right, Kursk fits perfectly. I would call it so since you can use it for '41 battles too but a Kursk scenario would be better for advertising.
Well, i think i have to end my post exactly the same way i started it: I LOVE IT!
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| Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:51 am |
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I love it -- a wide open map with little cover where you can FINALLY engage in some bloodletting tank battles. As for extended range - give me a break. As long as there is SOME cover and a map edge, extended range only gets you so far. At some point, the Krauts must take the objective! At that point, extended range becomes moot.
Looking forward to it.
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| Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:10 pm |
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| Panzer Commander wrote: | At some point, the Krauts must take the objective! At that point, extended range becomes moot.
Looking forward to it. |
True true...
I will try to upload today into the first post the map (with the hexes on it.
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| Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:33 pm |
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well... only managed to do the first two quadrants (upper half of the map).
white hexes - clear terrain
green hexes - forest
green line - hedge
cyan line - road axis
orange line - that separates the first 2 quadrants, does not actually show on the map.
If people are interested to buy this, please let me know because next week I intend to print it so... it would help knowing in how many copies. PM me for that, do not write in here pls.
Thanks for looking and PICS will come after I print my copy also. Do not get scared, on the actual map, the hexes do not seem so "powerful" as in the pic, they blend in the landscape, as for all my other maps - see pics from other topics.
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| Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:09 pm |
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"My dear general, the war can now only be won by the politicians." Von Rundstedt to Kurt Meyer.
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| RedBaron wrote: | well... only managed to do the first two quadrants (upper half of the map).
If people are interested to buy this, please let me know because next week I intend to print it so... it would help knowing in how many copies. PM me for that, do not write in here pls.
Thanks for looking and PICS will come after I print my copy also. Do not get scared, on the actual map, the hexes do not seem so "powerful" as in the pic, they blend in the landscape, as for all my other maps - see pics from other topics. |
I'm in for a map! This looks great.
Let me know how i could pay you for the hard work, this must take a long time to do...
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One note - you base the streets on "modern" sattelite photos.
i assume that back in the 40s there were less "streets" - a dirt road might nor qualify for giving "bonusses" on movement 
maybe less roads ...
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:09 am |
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@RvM
yes, I was thinking about the roads... leaving them or not leaving them on the map.
on the one hand, the dirt roads would give interesting tactical choices for both sides, on the other... they may be a little bit too many.
@Gen Hoth
See my Marketplace topic or just click on my Sig. The maps go for trades or are sold.
Right now I would go for cash since a few trades I have already declined.
But for more details PM me when you consider appropriate.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:00 am |
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Hi all! 
Yes, very nice Map ,good for Playing. I have a Question? I want to buy this Map ,only New Skill for the Hex Field! How Much?
Plz in € not in Dollar ,i am come from Germany.
I Hope you can send me a Pm or so and tell me waht you want for this great Map!
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:31 am |
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Afrika Korps
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| Konsul wrote: |
I Hope you can send me a Pm or so and tell me waht you want for this great Map!
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I have sent you a PM.
If you like this type of maps, take a look also at:
German Invasion of France, see this link: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about8050.html
DDAY, see here: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about7961.html
Afrika Korps at Tobruk, in here: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about7244.html
Barbarossa, Leningrad siege, see here: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about7156.html
or
Pacific campaign, New Guinea, look in: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about8434.html
As I said in the PM I have sent you, the Kursk map is in high demand right now, I do not have it right away in stock, but if you want to test these types of maps, both DDAY and France Invasion maps are available and on Special Offer. See my Marketplace topic: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/about6953.html
Thank you.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:15 am |
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Hit refresh, look at the first post: updated with the whole map (deleted some of the dirt roads as suggested) and, more important, the Soundtrack
First copy of the map is printing, hopefully I will be able to post also some "battle pics" today or tomorrow.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:36 pm |
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A few pics added to give a feel for the map, for the people who ordered it. The units are part of a diorama.
No spectacular pics since the map is big and I used a few units in order not to post "blank parts" as pics for the map.
One thing is clear though! This map is perfect for tank carnage and I ain't saying this because I made the map. It gives a little cover, but mostly open plain, so extended range / enhanced range here will help. Also if you have lots of obstacles, these will help for creating the russian defensive lines.
regards
PS= if you like the "tribute" Me109 ACE, that's for trade/sale or I will throw it as a bonus for ordering a map , any map.
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:19 pm |
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| general Hoth wrote: | Kursk! Here we come.  |
I expect you Hoth to create a scenario for this, since besides you, there are a bunch o people that will have/ordered this map. And to be honest, I want to test your "scenario making" talent.
You have in the first post the map, in various forms so... why not create a scenario?
Afterward I will make one also... if I will consider I can beat your proposal
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:26 pm |
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| RedBaron wrote: | | general Hoth wrote: | | Kursk! Here we come. |
I expect you Hoth to create a scenario for this, since besides you, there are a bunch o people that will have/ordered this map. And to be honest, I want to test your "scenario making" talent.
You have in the first post the map, in various forms so... why not create a scenario?
Afterward I will make one also... if I will consider I can beat your proposal
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Great idea! that's very much like forumini!
You know i love my eastern front . as soon as i get the map i'll work on it. Hopefully it would be a great christmas present for our members!
Like Snippersly said, we can all work on similar scenarios and because we have different approaches as designers it will generally come out differently.
We could then start a poll.
I usually loose those...
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:35 pm |
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mon general,
are you an Axis player or an Allied player?
because us Axis, do not go into battle thinking "we will lose"... well we had some issues with the Italins though
Btw, your map could be ready for delivery on Monday if you still want it. I will PM you with the missing details so we can proceed.
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| Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:55 pm |
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Let's do it.
With this map we could almost try a "mini campaign". 
I like playing the axis but have much respect for the Allies.
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