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P-47 Thunderbolt- The "Jug"
Has anyone come up with one of these yet? Obviously there is no mini for it, but it was viewed as the most effective air to ground plane the United States had in the war. It would be interesting to see it become part of the line up either through a custom card or in one of the future sets. |
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Alright I'll work on it. 
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Post subject: Re: P-47 Thunderbolt
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| Maverick720 wrote: | P-47 Thunderbolt- The "Jug"
Has anyone come up with one of these yet? Obviously there is no mini for it, but it was viewed as the most effective air to ground plane the United States had in the war. It would be interesting to see it become part of the line up either through a custom card or in one of the future sets. |
When you make the custom card can you please send it to me.
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| Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:51 pm |
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What do you think about:
Defense 5/5
Attack AI 10/7/0 AV 6/4/0
Agility, Antiair, Aircarft, Bombs 10 or Rockets 8
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| Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:50 pm |
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Whoa, that is powerful. Highest defense I've seen on aircraft, would anhilate air or infantrry and take out light tanks and armored cars. And with Bombs or Rockets??? Seems a little oeverpowered to me unless it really was that good.
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| Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:02 pm |
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 , but agility? 
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:58 am |
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| NeuralDream wrote: | | , but agility? |
hey that fat bird dogfighted with 109's and 190's quite well over those airfields I can't remember the name of, considering they were outnumbered summit to 1, so they must have some agility |
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:24 am |
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It was by far the least agile fighter aircraft in the war. I doubt it could make a full turn in less than 25 seconds.
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:18 am |
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No doubt with all this armament fully loaded.
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:02 am |
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Look this: | Quote: | Ref.: Design Analysis of the P-47 ThunderboltThe four .50 cal machine guns in each wing of the P-47 are secured in the gun bays to Republic-designed mounts. Front mounts are conical-shaped and the guns are locked to these by rotating the locking ring of the gun bracket assembly; the rear-mounts are locked by simple levers which are part of the rear mount assemblies.
Ammunition of more than 350 rounds per gun may he carried in the bays just outboard of the gun bays.
Bombs and rocket tubes are supported in conventional shackles under the wing.
The pilot is protected from enemy gun fire by face hardened 3/8" armor plate located in the forward and aft ends of the cockpit. The area above the front armor plate is protected by 1˝" bullet resistant glass. |
| Quote: | | Ref.: P-47 ThunderboltThe P-47 gradually became the USAAF's best fighter-bomber, normally carrying 500 pound (227 kg) bombs, M8 4.5-inch (115 mm) or 5-inch (125 mm) High velocity aircraft rockets (HVARs, or Holy Moses). From the invasion of Europe on 6 June 1944, to VE day on 7 May 1945, the Thunderbolt units claimed destroyed: 86,000 railway cars, 9,000 locomotives, 6,000 armoured fighting vehicles, and 68,000 trucks |
Other reference: Republic P-47 Thunderbolt |
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:04 pm |
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There is no doubt that the P-47 deserves defense 5/5 and the same rockets as the P-51. Just remove the agility and reduce the Anti-vehicle attack to 3/2, as it carried eight dotfifties and P-51D has 3/2 with six of them. The units that get 4/3 in AAM have 20mm cannon. Even the P-38 gets 3/2 despite its 20mm cannon. AI 10/7 is reasonable with that many .50s.
If I were to suggest a card for a P-47 in normal AAM (without HHR or Forumini Armies rules), then it would be:
defense 5/5
AI 10/7
AV 3/2
Rockets 8
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:16 pm |
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Give it Strafing as well, like the P-38. Or Steady Firing...
Also, the AV dice should be at least a 4/3. A .50 cal will make a mess of a light skinned vehicle and should be able to take out a PZIV with a luck rear shot.
Just my $.02 worth.
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:16 pm |
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| Snippersly wrote: | Give it Strafing as well, like the P-38. Or Steady Firing...
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Also, the AV dice should be at least a 4/3. A .50 cal will make a mess of a light skinned vehicle and should be able to take out a PZIV with a luck rear shot. |
The .50 isn't a new weapon in the game though (it already gets 3/2) and it certainly isn't stronger than a 20mm MG151 (4/3 in the game).
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:54 pm |
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Post subject: Tough plane
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| NeuralDream wrote: | There is no doubt that the P-47 deserves defense 5/5 and the same rockets as the P-51. Just remove the agility and reduce the Anti-vehicle attack to 3/2, as it carried eight dotfifties and P-51D has 3/2 with six of them. The units that get 4/3 in AAM have 20mm cannon. Even the P-38 gets 3/2 despite its 20mm cannon. AI 10/7 is reasonable with that many .50s.
If I were to suggest a card for a P-47 in normal AAM (without HHR or Forumini Armies rules), then it would be:
defense 5/5
AI 10/7
AV 3/2
Rockets 8
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Seems like it was a very tough plane, but not agile. If 5/5 seems out of proportion (as many people feel with 5/5 infantry) you could always use Superior Armor like the IL-10. reasonable to disrupt, but harder to kill. |
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| Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:32 pm |
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| Mon May 11, 2009 11:52 am |
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Nice job  . Only objection of mine is the AV. The 8 .50s can't warrant more than 3/2 or 3/3/.
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| Mon May 11, 2009 12:03 pm |
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I usually don't get in on these but I think it's an important unit.
I agree with Neural Dream, it should be similar to the P-51 or Corsair for AI and AV stats but should certainly have superior armor 2 and not defense 5.
Nice work.
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| Mon May 11, 2009 7:42 pm |
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I do not agree with AV 3/2 for P47.
I think that something is wrong. Supermarine Spitfire MK I had 8 .303 cal (7.7mm) machine guns as main weapon (see:Supermarine Spitfire 1936) and the P-47D where equipped with 8 .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns (see .Republic P-47 Thunderbolt 1941 )
I think .50 is more powerful than .303. How can AV of the Spitfire be more powerful than AV of the P-47D? |
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| Wed May 13, 2009 6:40 pm |
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That's because WoTC has messed up with the aircraft variants. The Spitfire isn't really the Mk.I, but a generic spitfire (imagine something between a V and IX, that never really existed). The same for the Bf109 (it's not really an E, but something generic). The only reason we insist a bit on the P-47 is that it has the same guns as the P-51 (all variants) and therefore can't have different stats. In practice, in WoTC cards, cannon-equipped units get 4/3 and MG-equipped 3/2, or something like that.
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