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Early on just watched a you tube video on this great ship but sadly where she is towed to the breakers after only around 15 years service!!!
She looked a great ship and as Britain's last ever Battleship in my view should have been saved!!
It is quite sad and moving as we see her been cut up in front of our very eyes!! Sad
I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we could  have done with her in the Falklands!!!
And she never fired those massive 15 inch guns in anger!!!
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HMS Vanguard never fired those guns in anger.  But ironiclly, while on pre-CV HMS Glorious & HMS Courageous in 1917, the Vanguard's heavy guns fired on German cruisers during WW1.  Shocked
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HMS Vanguard never fired those guns in anger.  But ironiclly, while on pre-CV HMS Glorious & HMS Courageous in 1917, the Vanguard's heavy guns fired on German cruisers during WW1.  Shocked

Yes I read that in Wiki!! Shocked
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The British in time of war have never stood on ceremony Hood, something that I believe is true to their character they won the war but they have suffered dearly for it, in truth they lost far more than they ever gained from victory.

My Grandfather being British and a WW2 veteran never glorified war, sheesh I had to twist his arm to get him to wear his medals on ANZAC Day.

They fought hard, they fought gallantly, they fought well my friend, but there was very little to celebrate at the close of that war. I believe the nation of Great Britain recognize that things could have gone very differently for them, they are all very proud of what they have achieved for the free world, but they don't stand on ceremony Hood.

A lovely ship Hood. But I don't think its the British way to glorify war in defeat or in victory.

Just my opinion as a proud member of a Commonwealth nation (Australia), commemorate yes...celebrate no.

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Hi Dan still think that she should have been saved after all we have the Victory and Belfast but no true Dreadnought, either this one or Warspite should have been save4d.
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Hi Dan still think that she should have been saved after all we have the Victory and Belfast but no true Dreadnought, either this one or Warspite should have been save4d.
Just my opinion!


Warspite, IMO, is the one that should have been saved.  What history!
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Yeah, the Brits literally have HMS Victory preserved, don't tell me they don't "glorify war in victory or defeat" (also the Tank Museum at Bovington and RAF museum in London)


I think the failure to preserve the BBs had to do with short sighted financial concerns. To me the scrapping of Warspite is the biggest head scratcher, much more so than Vanguard.


At least they didn't nuke her.
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Although there is no dreadnought surviving in the UK, the USS Texas is still preserved.  It is a modernized WW1 DN.  In both world wars, it served in British waters.  I know that that is not the same, but it is still something...
Maybe HMS Audacious, sunk by a mine in WW1 could be salvaged, preserved and turned into a monument.(?)
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It is quite astounding that the Brits dropped the ball preserving ships. While they have some incredible ship/warship museums (which I hope to one day visit), they are probably better know for the Bovington Tank Museum. It is weird and somewhat ironic given the fact that they are historically better known as a marine power guiding naval tactics and doctrine for decades if not a century or more. Their marine contributions have been great.

On the other hand, we the United States emerged shortly after WWI to our world power status. We have given great contributions to warships and naval technology but IMO not near as greatly as our British cousins have provided. All four Iowa class BB's are preserved, the Alabama (Great museum, please visit it if you can. I recommend), the North Carolina, the USS Texas, numerous aircraft carriers (Lexington I highly recommend, great staff and a ton of artifacts), and even destroyers and cruisers.

While for the most part we collectively have a good track record preserving these historical chariots of Neptune (and their land counterparts), I for one become saddened when one does not find its way to a museum but to the breakers for scrap. For example, USS Enterprise, one of the most storied vessels in history and the most decorated ship of WWII found her fate in the hands of the breakers. Another great example of partly lost artifacts was the Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum in the US. Collectively had one of the most magnificent collections of war booty and rare specimens and are now mostly stored away awaiting an unknown fate. I know it takes alot of money to fund these museums and most people aren't as interested in history as groups like ours. But preservation of historically rich artifacts should held in a higher reserve given the sacrifice of the men and women that served aboard them that was given in order to keep our countries and our world safe and free.

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