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As reliable as possible. I will try to add as many variants as possible later. Feel free to comment here on any of these aircraft or post your own data, pilot accounts etc.
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Why is all of your data in metric? It seems really odd to have to convert everything known about 99% of WWII aircraft from their widely-known and published Nautical Imperial measurements to metric.
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I try to use only original sources. Most countries (mainland Europe, USSR, etc.) used the metric system even for US/UK-built aircraft. The imperial system was used only in the UK and US, and even then not in the same way (sometimes knots and other times statute miles).

Out of the first 6 topics, only two were in imperial (hellcat and hurri). Even the buffalo 239 was in metric (Finnish tests). I hope it's not too confusing.
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Sorry, but I visit a ton of US Air Museums (including the Smithsonian and Evergreen) and I've only ever seen Imperial, especially on US stuff. I know my old WWII aircraft books are pretty much all Imperial as well (IIRC, the Japan and Germany sections were in Metric).

It's really difficult because ship speed is in knots, salvos are in yards, and in the planes we want HP (versus N/M or kw) and Lbs/HP plus bomb loads are in Lbs.

I guess I am just advocating for Imperial measures, at least for the US/UK/Allied stuff.
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Sorry, but I visit a ton of US Air Museums (including the Smithsonian and Evergreen) and I've only ever seen Imperial, especially on US stuff. I know my old WWII aircraft books are pretty much all Imperial as well (IIRC, the Japan and Germany sections were in Metric).

It's really difficult because ship speed is in knots, salvos are in yards, and in the planes we want HP (versus N/M or kw) and Lbs/HP plus bomb loads are in Lbs.

I guess I am just advocating for Imperial measures, at least for the US/UK/Allied stuff.

Sometimes it is confusing for the rest of the world to work in Imperial. Took me a while to figure some of it out.
All forumini navies cards are all transfered to metric before i stat them. What is the difference between a long tonne and a ton?
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Did the Hellcat ever use the torpedo?
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Did the Hellcat ever use the torpedo?
Never operationally. Only in testing.
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I guess I am just advocating for Imperial measures, at least for the US/UK/Allied stuff.
Using a different system for half the aircraft would make it imposible to compare aircraft.
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To our American friends - I'm pretty sure everyone in the entire world except you (and possibly Myanmar...) use metric...

No offense, but a lot of us have to convert 0.50cal into mm to compare, and mph to kph, etc, etc...

1000 lb bomb = 454kg to the rest of us...

On the other hand, the US didn't seem to have any issue putting 20mm and 40mm AA guns on their ships - metric ammo shoots down planes better than imperial (50 cals) !
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Did the Hellcat ever use the torpedo?


I was unaware the Hellcats tested with torpedoes. Very interesting.
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To our American friends - I'm pretty sure everyone in the entire world except you (and possibly Myanmar...) use metric...

No offense, but a lot of us have to convert 0.50cal into mm to compare, and mph to kph, etc, etc...

1000 lb bomb = 454kg to the rest of us...

On the other hand, the US didn't seem to have any issue putting 20mm and 40mm AA guns on their ships - metric ammo shoots down planes better than imperial (50 cals) !


I understand that it is a metric world, but I also know that all aviation is in Imperial. To be a commercial pilot you have to speak English, all air traffic control is in feet/miles, and all aircraft instrumentation is in Imperial. So while some plane specs might be metric, the actual flight stuff is all Imperial, and judging by the name "Angels 20" I imagine AAAF will be as well, it only makes sense to stick with the world-wide standard.
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It's not just some. It's more than 70% of ww2 aircraft that use metric. All Soviet, German, French, Italian, Polish etc. The aviation world may be largely in imperial now, with the two massive exceptions of Russia and China, but in WW2 it was largely in metric with the massive exceptions of the US and UK+commonwealth. Still you made a good point that if the system matters in Angels 20, we already know it will be the imperial system. It doesn't matter in WoW, but it may well matter here and we may have to convert these data cards in the future.
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Grumman Hellcat from YouTube:

Very detailed. Pilot training films:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1oWZwV7Gk0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2cNZ8dKPjo
second film starts with stall characteristics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7RHR2eD2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpJyaT_0gh0
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Duke_Striker wrote:
To our American friends - I'm pretty sure everyone in the entire world except you (and possibly Myanmar...) use metric...

No offense, but a lot of us have to convert 0.50cal into mm to compare, and mph to kph, etc, etc...

1000 lb bomb = 454kg to the rest of us...

On the other hand, the US didn't seem to have any issue putting 20mm and 40mm AA guns on their ships - metric ammo shoots down planes better than imperial (50 cals) !

Then where'd the Atlanta get that killer AA from?  I didn't think 5 inch converts that well from metric... Wink
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Imperial .50 inch or Metric 12.7mm makes little diff to me.

I served in the US Army as an AT Scout and Instructor and we had to use both systems of measurement all of the time. We don't just train our own troops, ya know?

Also, as I figure out how to manipulate Game scale for planes and boats interacting, I am doing a good deal of that figuring...

Mile 5280
knt  6076
km  3281

...and getting it all to work close enough in a game where 1 hex ground scale is about 500 meters and one elevation band is about 1000 feet, etc.

So much fun, and I get to get better at converting in my head, or what's left of it anyway.  Wink

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